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Brands to stay away from

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Weasipoint, Jul 4, 2020.

  1. jackknife

    jackknife

    Oct 2, 2004
  2. cbach8tw

    cbach8tw Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 9, 2006
    To me collectibles are just things that are collected, just like a souvenir, very doubtful that they appreciate in value, like thimbles and small spoons from other states. :rolleyes: Or those cedar boxes with the location name on them!! Fun from where you have been, but doubtful they will be fought over by my relatives. :p
     
  3. Makael

    Makael KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Platinum Member

    Oct 17, 2015
    Any knife made in a country guilty of stealing from the US. I do stay away from those brands. Plenty of choices made here and Europe. :thumbsup:
     
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  4. The Mastiff

    The Mastiff Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 21, 2006
    I recommend never spending your money on a knife made in Pakistan. Pot metal blades, poor to no heat treat, etc.

    China? My recommendation to not buy is political based and not acceptable for the forum. If you do buy knives from PRC be aware you might get blades with different steel from advertised or printed on blade. Talking to manufacturers who buy from PRC factories they state the factory will print whatever steel you want or even print "made in America" on the knife. Whatever you want.
     
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  5. stevekolt

    stevekolt Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 9, 2007
    In total agreement with this...
     
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  6. rexromic

    rexromic Gold Member Gold Member

    May 28, 2011
    Avoiding anything made in China!
    My personal favourite are by far the CRK made in USA!
     
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  7. Londinium Armoury

    Londinium Armoury

    363
    Jun 2, 2020
    Honestly I have problems supporting people with bad morals, or individuals who are liars and steal. But the workers and people at places like Kizer can hardly be blamed for the actions of the Chinese government. It's not their fault they were born and raised in a nation run by opppressive A holes. The guys at Kizer as far as I know have been honest and good people and make a nice knife. It's not like you blame Sal and spyderco everytime the US military drone strikes civilians or is guilty of a false flag attack in south or central America is it. I'd rather support the guys at Kizer than all American made Mick Strider who car jacks civilians and steals the honour of fallen American soldiers like SnG.
     
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  8. Boru13

    Boru13 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Apr 25, 2000
    This topic can be discussed without getting too political... tread very lightly with the politics or be banned from the thread.
     
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  9. THG

    THG

    May 18, 2008
    Agreed. There are things like computers and electronics where there is virtually no other practical option. I avoid the enticement of the sirens with their low prices by putting some extra $$ so that we might still have those options for things that are our hobbies and passions.
     
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  10. Kmikaz3

    Kmikaz3 Basic Member Basic Member

    846
    Aug 28, 2019
    While Chinese made knives aren't my first choice... i tend to make an exception for WE and Reate, extremely well made and actually seems to care about what they make.
    But yes CRKs and RHKs are by far the best to go with of course my local canadian knifemakers.

    On topic,
    I don't know why but i tend to avoid Kizer knives... nothing against them but their design doesn't appeal to me but that's my opinions so take it with the gain of salt.
    Used to like Hoback knives with an open heart but after a piss poor CS, i avoid them like a plague except for the knives i already owned.
     
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  11. Chronovore

    Chronovore Basic Member Basic Member

    826
    Aug 29, 2019
    There are a lot of manufacturers in China. This is certainly true of some of them. For instance, Eafengrow is a known rebrander that stamps whatever they think will sell over here. Independent XRF testing has consistently caught them stamping "D2" on 8Cr13Mov (or worse). There are also a bunch of counterfeiters based in China. Not only can you get a fake "M390" stamp on a piece of 3Cr13, you can get a fake "Microtech" or "Shirogorov" stamp and the packaging to go with it. This is obviously horrible.

    Then we have the mystery companies making lower-end knives for Kershaw, CRKT, etc. Sometimes, I see a knife and wonder if it was a night project or side hustle from the same company making a particular Kershaw; or whether permission was part of their deal in the first place. Knowing a few expats in other industries, I've heard stories about clones or outright counterfeits being made from the same materials one conveyor belt over from the real deal.

    OTOH, there are honorable and reputable companies like WE, Kizer, and Reate in China. They make decent knives based on original designs and use the steels they claim. Some of them collaborate with or make knives for American designers. I think @Londinium Armoury adequately made the point that people are people. Some will be good and some will be bad. I think it's wise not to overgeneralize or judge people solely based on the regimes that rule their nations.
     
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  12. Arathol

    Arathol Basic Member Basic Member

    Jan 1, 2003
    Yes I'm sure that is entirely possible. Given that, how to you discern between those made in PRC and sold openly as such and those supposedly made and/or sold by Taiwan factories? I recently bought a knife that was supposedly made and sold by a Taiwan factory but the box was clearly labeled PRC. How do you really know what is made where? How many makers have facilities in both Taiwan and PRC, make knives in PRC factories and sell them through a Taiwan based company? For that matter, if an American based retailer orders a bunch of cheap blades marked "D2 Made in USA" from a factory in PRC, who is actually committing the fraud? How does that make the American retailer any less guilty of deception if they know what they are ordering and offer the knives for sale based on the markings?

    Not all are that unscrupulous though. I have a couple made by Artisan with blades marked D2. I can't say if it is, but the blades are very difficult to sharpen with regular stones. A files barely touches them, diamond stones are the only way to get an edge, and the blades take a wicked edge that holds pretty well. If they were cheap gas station quality knives, sure I'd be very skeptical about the D2 marking. However, from what I have seen, I don't have any reason to believe that they are not D2.
     
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  13. UDIVER

    UDIVER Gold Member Gold Member

    813
    Nov 10, 2013
    Not so much brands but I have a big problem with budget knives, regardless of where they're made.

    Actually.....any product that falls under the "budget" category.....
     
  14. Londinium Armoury

    Londinium Armoury

    363
    Jun 2, 2020
    Hey what have you got against Moras and RATs and SAK's. They are pretty awesome.
     
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  15. flbandit

    flbandit

    18
    Feb 28, 2015
    Do just what you're doing OP. Read, ask questions and (the fun part) handle as many knives as you can! We have a shop here in Central FL that has hundreds of knives on display, I can hang out there for hours. My faves are Case, Queen, Marbles (USA), and various others. I also have a Blackjack Tac-Ops 6 user that like really well. (My Cold Steel Recon 1 is a tank as well). Not so faves include, CRKT and Sabre for workmanship, and various imported brands for the same reason. Most important is buy what you like and enjoy.
     
  16. Chronovore

    Chronovore Basic Member Basic Member

    826
    Aug 29, 2019
    Okay there, Rockefeller. A lot of poor folks need knives too. Having quality options in the budget range is a beautiful thing.

    Even for those of us with slightly more resources, there can be value in quality budget items. I've asked myself: do I really want multiple hundreds (or thousands) of dollars in overhead on a daily carry folder? At what point do I hesitate to use it for rough or dirty work? What if I lose it or something happens to it? What if someone wants to use it or borrow it? Obviously, the line for such questions is personal. Maybe a thousand-dollar folder is right for you. I might like that for special occasions. For regular EDC though, I'm much happier with a decent budget knife.
     
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  17. 000Robert

    000Robert Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 28, 2020
    I concur. I carry a slip joint Steel Warrior to hand out if someone needs to "borrow" my knife. I put 'borrow' in quotation marks because half the time what I lent out over the years never came back to me. Nobody touches my nice knives but me. And nice doesn't necessarily mean expensive. My Kershaw Launch 1 was only about $100, but I love it and nobody is going to "borrow" it. ;)
     
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  18. UDIVER

    UDIVER Gold Member Gold Member

    813
    Nov 10, 2013
    Nothing at all, budget is more of a quality issue than it is price, there's plenty of knives that cost more than a Mora that are complete trash.

    I have no issues with Mora's or SAK's...etc etc
     
  19. UDIVER

    UDIVER Gold Member Gold Member

    813
    Nov 10, 2013
    Rockefeller......right

    You missed my point, I see a lot of people posting photos of 5 or 6 $30 "budget" knives in one photo...

    Why not just save buying all that trash and purchase one or two good knives?

    Would you rather have three $30 knives with 8cr or 420? or one $90 knife with S30v or 154?

    Sorry, it doesn't make much sense to me.....
     
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  20. UDIVER

    UDIVER Gold Member Gold Member

    813
    Nov 10, 2013
    The Kershaw launch is great and I wouldn't consider that a budget auto........now, a $45 Boker auto is budget and at that price for $30 more you can start getting into a launch.
     
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