Crucible Industries Update

Chowser said:
I'm gonna ask here: how is it that a company such as Bestech can sell knives in Magnacut? I'm in Canada, and I see them offered through a large retailer on the West Coast. No way to control it? Where could the 'leak' be?
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Discussed ad nausem already.....
ferider

Post in thread 'Magnacut in Chinese knives'

Magnacut folders made in communist China, by Bestech & Reate (GiantMouse and Liong Mah):

https://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/...china&instock=t&listingid=3655&steel=MagnaCut
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Fixall

Post in thread 'Magnacut from Bestech?'

I have a Keanison Knives Basset Hound in MagnaCut that was produced by Bestech. I had no idea there was effectively an Embargo on MagnaCut going to China. This thread bummed me out. :(
 
nsm said:
We discussed buying the trademarks or being listed as a co-owner with Crucible earlier this year. We couldn't because of the pending sale and possible bankruptcy filing. We have applied for a patent and trademark for the new prototype grade and it looks like that will go through.
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If you want EU protection for your mark(s), you can file an application directly with the EUIPO, without involving an attorney at that stage. The process is straightforward. Be sure to claim the priority of your US application (20 August 2024 if for MAGNAMAX), which is valid until 20 February 2025. 850 euros off your CC and you have your application.

https://www.euipo.europa.eu/en/trade-marks/how-to-apply/apply-now

After that you WILL need a representative though. I'm licensed to practice before the EUIPO - leave a contact message on my members page and we could talk. ( Blues Blues - I'm not trying to solicit business here - a helping hand for a nominal fee BF membership at best.)
 
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Chowser said:
I'm gonna ask here: how is it that a company such as Bestech can sell knives in Magnacut? I'm in Canada, and I see them offered through a large retailer on the West Coast. No way to control it? Where could the 'leak' be?
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You quoted me but I'm not the person to ask. nsm nsm is the best bet for further information on that score...or one of the other folks directly related to the business.
 
TC said:
If you want EU protection for your mark(s), you can file an application directly with the EUIPO, without involving an attorney at that stage. The process is straightforward. Be sure to claim the priority of your US application (20 August 2024 if for MAGNAMAX), which is valid until 20 February 2025. 850 euros off your CC and you have your application.

https://www.euipo.europa.eu/en/trade-marks/how-to-apply/apply-now

After that you WILL need a representative though. I'm licensed to practice before the EUIPO - leave a contact message on my members page and we could talk. ( Blues Blues - I'm not trying to solicit business here - a helping hand for a nominal fee BF membership at best.)
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T TC

I'm happy to have you reach out to nsm nsm to lend a helping hand if you can...so I've no heartburn over you offering your services.

That said, I'm not the site owner, have no financial interest in the site, and cannot elevate members to other membership levels without paying for them personally as a gift.

I'm sure an accommodation can be reached.
 
Blues said:
That said, I'm not the site owner, have no financial interest in the site, and cannot elevate members to other membership levels without paying for them personally as a gift.
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Sorry, I wasn't asking you personally for that. I was trying to suggest the level of a fee I would ask for the help - to spend on a BF membership. 😀 I think I've said my part on the IP angles now and will stick to the metals/knife topic from here on. 👍🏻
 
No worries, TC. I'm certain that the matter of both the representation and the membership level will resolve itself in good time.
 
It's relatively simple for a company to obtain steel in the US then turn around and export the product to other countries. Happens all the time.
 
Unfortunate to see the possible loss of such a key player in the American automotive, aerospace, machine tool, and cutlery spaces.

In the interest of, well, interest...a list of developments and achievements from the Crucible website:

Key Developments in Our History

  • 2009 – Crucible Industries LLC is established
  • 2009 - Developed & marketed newest addition to the family of stainless tool steels, CPM® S35VN®
  • 2006 – Developed & marketed CPM® 154CM for improved toughness and ease of manufacturing
  • 2006 - Jointly developed Crutonite® alloy for high temperature wear resistant applications. Joint patent issued 2010.
  • 2005 - Developed CPM® Rex66® for improved toughness
  • 2005 - Developed stainless tool steel CPM® S110V® for enhanced corrosion resistance
  • 2005 – Developed CPM® Rex86® for improved wear resistance
  • 2004 - Developed stainless tool steel CPM® S125V® for improved corrosion and wear resistance.
  • 2003 - Developed a Thermo-Calc computational model for the calculation of volume fraction of primary carbides in high speed steels.
  • 2003 - Improved the machinability of tool steels for high wear resistant applications through the implementation of Plus Technology™.
  • 2001 – Completed expansion and upgrade of CPM® facility in Syracuse.
  • 2001 - Developed stainless tool steel CPM® S30V® for applications requiring improved corrosion and wear resistance.
  • 2000 - Developed VIM CRU® 60* and VIM CRU® 80* for hybrid bearing applications.
  • 2000 - Developed advanced iron based powder metallurgy calibration standards for X-ray and optical emission equipment.
  • 1999 – Developed second stainless tool steel CPM® S90V® for improved corrosion and wear resistance.
  • 1998 - Developed CPM® Rex® 121, a new ultra hard (HRC 70-72) and abrasion resistant high speed steel.
  • 1997 - Developed VIM CRU® 20* for hybrid bearing applications.
  • 1997 - Developed CPM® SS100®, a new high strength corrosion resistant steel using nitrogen as an alloying element and rapid solidification processing.
  • 1997 - Developed CPM® 3V®, a high toughness steel with good wear resistance.
  • 1996 - Developed a series of high sulfur powder metallurgy tool steels with 500 ksi minimum bend fracture strength.
  • 1995 - Developed MPL-1®, CPM® 440VM®, and CPM® 420 (9V®, 12V®, 15V®), a family of wear and corrosion resistant steels.
  • 1994 - Developed CPM® Nu-Die EZ®, a high sulfur version of H13 tool steel with excellent machinability.
  • 1990 - Developed CPM® 15V®, a highly wear resistant tooling material.
  • 1988 - Developed the Super X® free machining austenitic and martensitic stainless steels.
  • 1985 - Crucible Materials Corporation becomes an independent, employee-owned company
  • 1984 – World’s first titanium gas atomizer developed at Crucible Research
  • 1983 – Crucible Materials Corporation is established by Colt Industies
  • 1975 – Crucible Compaction Metals Division is established in Pittsburgh, PA
  • 1970 – CPM (Crucible Particle Metallurgy) process developed
  • 1968 – Colt Industries acquires Crucible Steel Company
  • 1964 – Crusteel, LTD. Established in Sheffield, England
  • 1955 – First commercial vacuum (VAR) melt shop
  • 1948 – Crucible acquires Trent Tube Company of East Troy, WI (Founded 1941)
  • 1929 – Crucible research division founded
  • 1907 – First patent granted for invention of vanadium-bearing tool steel
  • 1906 – First in Western Hemisphere to use electric arc melting furnace (Heroult design)
  • 1900 – Thirteen major crucible method steelmaking firms join to become Crucible Steel of America
  • 1883 – First to use gas to fuel its crucible melting furnaces
  • 1876 - Sanderson Brothers Steel established in Syracuse, New York
  • 1776 - Naylor & Sanderson Steel Company established in Sheffield, England
 
If I may interject a lighthearted thought into this discussion of a very sad situation, I live less than a half dozen straight-line miles from Crucible and I pass by the mill several times each week. When I’m carrying a knife that has a SPY27 blade or a MAGNACUT blade I sort of have a good feeling, knowing that the steel in the blade in my pocket had to have originated at that mill! And, let’s continue to hope that things evolve in a way wherein the workers ‘ welfare is not harmed.
 
Bad News



Erasteel has no plans to reorganize Crucible and keep the mill running or employ the 170 employees.


Erasteel is going to liquidate Crucible and take the intellectual property.

The bidding process has been extended by two weeks. Crucible is hoping to get another bidder that will not liquidate.

Unfortunately, Crucible does not have much time to look for new bidders.

Crucible Industries LLC will be out of money to operate sometime this February.

www.syracuse.com

Crucible’s dying days: After a century, is a once-great steel mill now worth only its parts?

Can a last-minute bid save Crucible Steel from its demise?
www.syracuse.com www.syracuse.com
 
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There are only a couple production knife companies I trust fully to thoroughly vet whatever new supply situation comes their way due to this.
 
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