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Does your Seb. 21 Damascus pattern disappear?

Discussion in 'Chris Reeve Knives' started by expidia1, Jun 23, 2018.

  1. OhioApexing

    OhioApexing Sharpener Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

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  2. expidia1

    expidia1 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 18, 2018
    The sellers can be tricky as if you take the pic CN or DT dead on right angle to the blade it looks great. I don’t know why CRK chooses their light greyish etching backgrounds as the blacker darker backgrounds really pop the Damascus patterns on some of the other blades Damascus or Damasteel examples members post in various threads.
    Hopefully this one will hold a decent value so I can resell it when and if CRK produces Damasteel in a 21.
    I almost went for the real light Box Elder on Ebay, but it was too Mammothy looking for my tastes the more I stared at it.
     
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  3. expidia1

    expidia1 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 18, 2018
    This was the first one I had my eye on (that I did not buy) . I liked how light it is in color, but that was just how the camera took the pic as another close up showed it was much grainier with a lot of brown through it. But this DT blade showed how the pattern for a raindrop just seems to loop loop along . . . like I mentioned above it was chain link fence looking to me. Surprisingly, the CN version looked more like splattered raindrops to me.

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  4. pnsxyr

    pnsxyr Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 29, 2013
    I know this is an older thread but this post just absolutely blew me away...so much knowledge! Thank you! With your experience with both the CN and DT damascus blades from multiple eras, what do you consider to be the best protectant against finger oils and other contaminants that could permanently alter the visual appearance of the blade? I've started using Renn Wax on a DT stainless basketweave blade circa 2017 (which I assume would be an uncoated version?), but have read inconsistent things on this topic. I wanted a knife with extremely bold contrast and relatively consistent 'lines'. I literally, over a few months, visited the websites for EVERY CRK authorized dealer, viewed every picture of every available Mnandi, and sometimes requested knife-specific pictures if they were using a stock image (as I was not going to buy a near-$700 knife that can vary tremendously if I couldn't see the exact one I would get...CRK dealers that don't do this leave me totally perplexed, but that's another story...) It was an exhaustive process but I found exactly what I wanted. Subsequently, I would like to preserve this blade as best I can. Thanks!

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  5. expidia1

    expidia1 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 18, 2018
    I’m not a fan of the wimpy looking Damascus patterns that disappear as soon as you rotate the blade. Some sellers and retail stores will oil them with WD40 which brings out pattern but it quickly wears off. The Minandi’s seem to use bolder patterns. Yours is beautiful, congrats.
    From my experience the bolder more beautiful patterns seem to be only produced in limited special runs or sold at the blade shows at highly inflated crazy prices. This is why I prefer Damasteel over Damascus.
    Many members display some knives with beautiful bold patterns. I always wondered if the moderators have first shot at those specimens as a bonus for them moderating. I don’t know as its something I‘ve always pondered since some have such extensive CRK collections with rare patterns.
     
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  6. kidcongo

    kidcongo

    Jan 12, 2013
    My two bits:

    The original Devon Thomas Raindrop blade on my 21 plain-Jane cracked at the thumb stud, as many CRK blades do. Just noticed the hairline crack one day.

    CRK replaced the blade free-of-charge, but with a Chad Nichols Raindrop blade.

    Although the Chad Nichols is a much tighter and more uniform Raindrop pattern, and arguably looks as if it took a lot of skill to achieve, the etch on my CN example was not as deep, and faded more quickly than my DT example. It’s not something I spend much time crying about, but I would say the DT Damascus had a more durable pattern when using the knife, and I lament the blade being replaced based solely on that.
     
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  7. pnsxyr

    pnsxyr Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 29, 2013
    I do like how Damasteel is so consistent...I bought a Benchmade Damasteel pen, and the specimen I got wowed me just as much as the images. I've never had a knife blade in it but I would definitely buy one. BM Gold Class knives in Damasteel look just stellar. I too have noticed Mnandis tend to have bolder patterns as well compared to the Sebs. I am not sure why but perhaps the shape or thickness of the blade has something to do with stock creation? I've noticed the DT basketweave seems to have the most 'popping' contrast, on average...I am heartbroken CRK discontinued using it as I think it is one of the coolest patterns around.

    And thanks! It took a LONG time to find the right one, and while that particular beech inlay wasn't my favorite (I originally wanted carbon fiber), the blade was exactly what I wanted and so I am delighted with the knife. This is the other side showing the handle and damascus lines in a lower light condition. It's got a thin coating of Renn Wax but nothing else.
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    I purchased it from KnivesShipFree, who lists each damascus CRK they get individually with its own picture set. KnifeArt and DLT also do the same, as do quite a few other CRK dealers (as this is a CRK sub-forum sponsored by CRK, I assume I can mention factory authorized dealers by name?). However, some others have disclaimers on their website that more or less say 'every knife is unique but we will not take pictures of individual knives'. And, indeed, upon contacting them and requesting the ability to choose the specific damascus blade, some stuck by that position even with an offer to first make the purchase before they go through the hassle. That's their rightful choice, but I am not personally purchasing such a pricy knife that can vary so much without first seeing exactly what I am getting!!! After all, these damascus Mnandis are priced higher than my first car! (which doesn't say a lot as it wasn't much of a car by the time I got it, but you get the drift.)

    My guess is that some dealers may offer the finest patterns to their best customers who are purchasing insane amounts of CRK products, kind of like how many liquor stores offer the limited Van Winkle bourbons to their best customers as a way of showing their gratitude for the continued business. And I certainly understand that completely.

    Eventually, I'd like to get ahold of one of the zebra Mnandis...
     
  8. pnsxyr

    pnsxyr Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 29, 2013
    I did not know the thumb stud cracking was common but that's awesome that CRK replaced it! How common is this cracking? Have you treated the blade with any sort of protectant or noticed anything helps to preserve the finish? Unfortunately, it seems like many of the things we cut and the very oil on our hands is relatively harsh on the damascus finish.
     
  9. kidcongo

    kidcongo

    Jan 12, 2013
    It’s not entirely common, but the most numerous blade failures that occurred with CRK blades are a hairline crack at the thumb stud. It is an interference fit, so if the stud is slightly too large, or the hole slightly too small, the tension can cause a crack. It’s not specific to the Damascus blades, nor is it something anyone needs to worry a huge amount about, though CRK has a disclaimer now about putting new thumb studs in old Damascus blades.

    I use my knives for food prep often, so do no coating or treatment to the blade. I’ll post some pics tomorrow, of what my L21 raindrop looks like these days. It happens to be my carry for the next few weeks.
     
  10. kidcongo

    kidcongo

    Jan 12, 2013
    I updated my original post today about EDC’ing a CRK Damascus. You might find out what to expect if you view my most recent pictures:

    https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...f-a-journey-w-june-2020-update.1515437/page-6
     
  11. Jason Coen

    Jason Coen

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    Sep 30, 2020
    I've been collecting knives for a couple years now and only have a couple demascus blades, so I really don't know much about them. The last one I purchased was a small sebenza 31 and wanted to show a couple pictures of what mine looks like at two angles. Like I said, I don't know much about demascus blades, but had I known it'd look like someone ran an eraser over the blade at certain angles, I wouldn't have bought it. It actually looks much worse than this IRL and doesn't represent quality, in my humble opinion. For $600, I want my blade to look amazing at whatever angle I view it at. I shouldn't see lines on 1/4 of the blade and gray blob on the other 3/4.

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  12. KrisNZ

    KrisNZ Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 28, 2012
    The etch on my CN Raindrop Mnandi came straight off once I polished it with AutoSol, I much prefer it shiny, It's still very much visible, you can still feel it and if you run your finger nail down the blade you can hear it, its still all there, just smoother,
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  13. blanco112

    blanco112 Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 1, 2016
    I'm curious what this looks like but imgur is showing an error message.
     
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  14. KrisNZ

    KrisNZ Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 28, 2012
    Oh, ill try and repost
     
  15. KrisNZ

    KrisNZ Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 28, 2012
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