Gaucho knives and cuchillos criollos of South America

Itโ€™s going to be about 15 cm ( about 6 inch )
which for me personally is a BIG knife lol ๐Ÿ˜€
That is about as big a knife this gaucho can mentally handle lol ๐Ÿ˜„

My two Verijeros I got so far are about 12 cm so this one will be their big brother ๐Ÿ˜Ž

Steel is 1095.
As I understand it the 6 pieces being forged together are needed to make the thickness of the integral bolster.

The plan is for me to attempt to put a handle on it.
I am so excited and a bit nervous ๐Ÿ˜ฌ too ๐Ÿ˜„

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I hoped you had figured out a way to order a blade blank from Boker Arbolito and have them ship it to you from Argentina. I was going to ask you how to do it.

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I had to go and count them. Nine. Four Argentinian and five Brazilian. If that one due in March gets here, it will be five and five.

Three for me, one by Cahoon, and two by maxipescie.

Itโ€™s going to be about 15 cm ( about 6 inch )
which for me personally is a BIG knife lol ๐Ÿ˜€
That is about as big a knife this gaucho can mentally handle lol ๐Ÿ˜„

My two Verijeros I got so far are about 12 cm so this one will be their big brother ๐Ÿ˜Ž

Steel is 1095.
As I understand it the 6 pieces being forged together are needed to make the thickness of the integral bolster.

The plan is for me to attempt to put a handle on it.
I am so excited and a bit nervous ๐Ÿ˜ฌ too ๐Ÿ˜„





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Enablers!!!
 
Perfect size! Like a small chef's knife, but good in a knife fight, too!
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If that is butch cassidy and Sundance kid movie, doesnโ€™t this guy get kicked where it counts? End of fight. You could say his eggs were scrambled.๐Ÿ˜„ I prefer to use my knife in the kitchen. Much safer. Or if I go to a Brazilian steak house, cut the meat off the stake but get the glancesโ€ฆโ€ฆof envy of course.
 
If that is butch cassidy and Sundance kid movie, doesnโ€™t this guy get kicked where it counts? End of fight. You could say his eggs were scrambled.๐Ÿ˜„ I prefer to use my knife in the kitchen. Much safer. Or if I go to a Brazilian steak house, cut the meat off the stake but get the glancesโ€ฆโ€ฆof envy of course.
In a knife fight? No rules!
 
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The Nieto on the left counts or not depending on my mood, but I think it's a take-off on a gaucho knife rather than a gaucho knife.
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Enablers!!!
We thrive in the company of enablers :thumbsup: ๐Ÿ˜

Perfect size! Like a small chef's knife, but good in a knife fight, too!
LOL Vince !๐Ÿ˜…

If that is butch cassidy and Sundance kid movie, doesnโ€™t this guy get kicked where it counts? End of fight. You could say his eggs were scrambled.๐Ÿ˜„ I prefer to use my knife in the kitchen. Much safer. Or if I go to a Brazilian steak house, cut the meat off the stake but get the glancesโ€ฆโ€ฆof envy of course.
LOL, I am having too much fun this morning catching up here ๐Ÿ˜…

I hoped you had figured out a way to order a blade blank from Boker Arbolito and have them ship it to you from Argentina. I was going to ask you how to do it.

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Hi Christian, Boker Argentina finally answered me after several emails and told me they do not ship outside of the country.
I wrote to Boker USA to see if they could ship me one and got an email back stating that unfortunately they are not able to do so.

I did have a couple of other options to have one shipped to me however in the end I decided to pause that quest for now.

The feeling I get from corresponding with knife enthusiasts in Argentina and reading comments on social media is that they are rather indifferent towards the modern Bokers.

The knife collector and book author I referenced earlier in my posts ( with whom I also corresponded a few times via whatsapp) commented on a talk he gave about criollos knives posted on youtube about not being exactly sure where the modern arbolitos are made. This person also told me that Boker Argentina never answers any inquires.

On a telephone conversation with a "Platero" from Argentina he told me more or less the same thing. He suspected they are made in China and then just stamped in Germany allowing them to say it was Solingen made.

Quality may be hit and miss is the feeling I get and they certainly charge too much $ for a mass produced blade imo.

NOW Vintage Arbolito blades are a WHOLE new different thing. They are still very revered and also expensive.

Here is a pic of the modern blade. The rat tail tang looks quite thin to me and the shape of the "half moon" cut on the ricasso is quite different from the traditional shape. I doubt it will feel as comfortable on the index finger as the traditional shape

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In contrast, here is a vintage criollo blade blank (pic from Domenech's essay) .
Although not an Arbolito it exemplifies the much more robust construction. The rat tail looks very strong and the "half moon" cut looks more functional and pleasing to the eye.
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Dracula Chickadee!

How did you become interested in these knives to start a collection ?
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Mom and Dad used to take me antique-malling on my birthday. It was maybe as long as 45 years ago I was entranced by the cowboy-decorated one here, but it was over $100, $130 comes to mind.
I forgot all about it until five to ten years ago, when my brother and I were at the same antique mall (way up in Holland MI, not a place of frequent resort). There it was again, and now it was 30 dollars, because the widow of the guy who was sure he had a treasure wanted to close down his stall.

After a while it occurred to me that I probably had a tourist version of a gaucho knife, because a real gaucho would not need to be reminded of his picturesque life by the designs on his knife, so I started plying the bay for more plausibly adorned ones.

I have no connection with South America, except I'm part Welsh, and my uncle Don flew dirigibles out of NE Brazil to spot u-boats in WWII. And we used to host doctors from South America who came up to study or work at the Upjohn Company. I don't remember exactly what they were doing, if I ever knew.

Uruguay, eh?
 
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Just to finish documenting my new one:
It was listed as an Ayres Outdoor bushcraft knife, but some pictures clearly showed a "galucho" Argentina blade stamp. Another pic clearly showed a Santa Elena blade stamp. Most pics show stacked spacers instead of my ferule, and one pic shows my ferule with a plain ring and some sloppy solder. The description said the brand was generic.
Maybe it was from an SFO and got rejected because most of the stag character is ground off, or because the forward rope ring has a little circular play? Or because both rope rings were meant to rotate freely and they're both too tight?

The sheath looks a little light, compared to the Venado in post 791, but I wouldn't call it flimsy.

Anyway, I think I got a good one, whatever it is.

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I read a little more that Uruguay has a tradition since they are south of Brazil, across from the Rio grande del sur (Rio Grade Do Sul ?)โ€ฆ.in the pampas.
 
Uruguay, eh?

Cool pics, I was wondering if there was a cowboy culture in Uruguay and Paraguay like in Brazil and Argentina. what about Chile?

I recently watched a very informative documentary on the " Oriental Gaucho", the gauchos from Uruguay.
It posits that the gaucho culture and lifestyle originated in Uruguay and then spread across the river into Buenos Aires and the vast Pampas to the south.

The area around Buenos Aires and and Uruguay share many cultural similarities to this day, even the Spanish accent or Rioplatense Spanish is characteristic of the region and distinct from the rest of Argentina.

Here is the video.
It's in Spanish with no English subtitles unfortunately.
There is, however, a way to have captions automatically generated by youtube.
You would need to enable captions first by clicking on "CC". This will generate captions in Spanish. You would then go into youtube settings and change captions from Spanish to English.



Here is another fascinating video :thumbsup: ( with proper English subtitles embedded) relating how 3 gauchos; one from Argentina, one from Uruguay and one from Brazil embarked on a journey and met up to get to know each other and share their experiences.

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In regards to Chile, it also has a very strong culture and rich history in regards to its rural countryman and skilled horseman.
I would posit that the differences in the geography and landscape in which they worked also shaped and influenced their own distinctive ways.
They are called "Huasos".
Huaso in a Chilean wheat field, 1940
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Here is a documentary on one of the last Chilean "gauchos" of his kind in Patagonia ( with subtitles in English)
 
The river tells me my gaucho knife order "has been cancelled". By the river? By the seller? They don't say, but if I require further assistance I can contact one or the other.
I don't think I'll try that one again.

I was first drawn to these by all the flashy metal, but lighter and warmer to the touch isn't bad either.
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I was first drawn to these by all the flashy metal, but lighter and warmer to the touch isn't bad either.

Too bad about the canceled order Jer.
Yeap, I really do like the "lighter and warmer" materials too :thumbsup: :cool: ... and now I am being drawn to the flashy metal :D

Now see what an enabler your are ?
This came from the big river this afternoon :cool:
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Too bad about the canceled order Jer.
Yeap, I really do like the "lighter and warmer" materials too :thumbsup: :cool: ... and now I am being drawn to the flashy metal :D

Now see what an enabler your are ?
This came from the big river this afternoon :cool:
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Happy to help!
That was fast. My book is due to get here today.
[It won't be here today, though. The river is still meandering lazily toward USPS with it.]
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My life and knife book probably won't get here today either. Last seen leaving Swanton Ohio yesterday morning, though the river reported last night that it was delayed in transit. I hope they know where. All USPS knows is that they're still waiting on their shipping partner to turn it over.

There's a lot of black grease in my Atahualpa scabbard.
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