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Got the Nilakka - Couple Observations and a Potential Issue

Discussion in 'Spyderco' started by AF, Oct 13, 2012.

  1. RevDevil

    RevDevil Super Evil Supermod Staff Member Super Mod

    Nov 9, 2009
    Convexing them might fix the issue, but if the edge is really thin maybe not.
     
  2. triggahappy28

    triggahappy28

    232
    Nov 20, 2011
    wow, I was about to say I really wanted one....
     
  3. slimshaneee

    slimshaneee Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 24, 2008
    Wow, I ordered one. I love the design. I am not excited about fixing chips like that though.
     
  4. pwet

    pwet

    Feb 13, 2009
    oups ....

    otoh that sounded obvious, even my thinnest dedicated kitchen slicers are more that 10 inclusive, slightly more but still, and that white steel @63 not s30v ...

    maybe just sharpening it flat on a hard backed leather with sandpaper, it will look horrible at first as it will take some time to get the finish even on such a wide surface but a slight full convex may be enough to give some strength to the apex.

    still want one though, and seeing a true full zerogrind knife from a non custom maker is still something i apprecite and trully respect, it taked balls to do that as they will have to deal with a lot of complaints.
     
  5. Misanthropia

    Misanthropia Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    I agree, I hope the inevitable backlash Spyderco gets for edge damage on this knife doesnt dissuade them from taking risks like this in the future. Perhaps it will get a future revision to a more traditional lower scandi grind instead of the full scandi grind.
     
  6. momouppa

    momouppa

    149
    May 15, 2011
    well I am going to get one people just need to realise that it is more for light use
     
  7. RevDevil

    RevDevil Super Evil Supermod Staff Member Super Mod

    Nov 9, 2009
    Whittling base wood as Jack mentioned is pretty light use.
     
  8. CapitalizedLiving

    CapitalizedLiving

    Dec 1, 2007
    Thank you all for the posts. I love the design and it would be fun to own for looks, but I don't think I want a knife that requires reprofiling out of the box. But the idea of a folding puukko is awesome and I'm glad to see Spyderco make a valiant attempt at it with a good designer. I'd think a blade redesign including (a) no swedge, (b) no distal taper, (c) a secondary bevel, and (d) better steel would add up to make this one of the better outdoors folders on the market.
     
  9. yablanowitz

    yablanowitz

    Apr 14, 2006
    Actually, it isn't chipped at all, it just bent.

    Edit to add: I was not chopping. I was not prying. I did not twist the blade in a cut. Making a couple of cuts across the grain on knot free soft wood stretched the steel of the edge, leaving behind the ripples you see in the pictures. I had the same thing happen on a custom jackknife when I hit a very hard knot whittling hard pine. If you've ever tried using a straight razor for something other than shaving, you know what it is like to use this factory edge. I have in fact made similar cuts with a single edge razor blade without damaging it. I shudder to think what would have happened if I had tried shaving a strip off my knotty ash branch I usually use for testing new knives.
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2012
  10. dsmegst

    dsmegst

    Jul 21, 2009
    I think this is more about pushing the envelope of what S30v can do. The thinnest I ever take any steel is 20 degrees inclusive so going below that with S30v sounds crazy. I'll still probably get one though.
     
  11. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    I used a diamond plate and took the edge back past the chips on mine. Then I took a strop and wet dry sandpaper and put a secondary convex on mine. Even with that the edge is very thin. But I went out and tried it on the same limb that trashed my edge and some dried oak in the woods and it seems to be ok. I want this one to work out because it may be the nicest folder design I've ever had. I really love the scales.
     
  12. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    It sounds like you figured out that edge. ^
    I wish Spyderco nested those handle liners.
     
  13. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    Here's a couple pics

    This is what I cut

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    This is what happened
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    Just to test I cut the same wood with my Enzo Birk and no problem.


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  14. AF

    AF Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    Good job documenting what happened. Maybe they will use a lower scandi grind on future runs.
     
  15. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    Man! I thinks it's a bad HT? Or, the edge is not finished/stropped correctly.
     
  16. yablanowitz

    yablanowitz

    Apr 14, 2006
    Crappy cell phone pic, but this is the amount of carving that turned mine into an accordian.

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    The block is 2" wide by 1" thick. The circled area was done with my thumbnail just to see if the wood was really as soft as I thought.

    Maybe they overheated the blades grinding them this thin, or maybe these were supposed to be sushi knives.
     
  17. HardTripper

    HardTripper

    Dec 13, 2010
    Honestly this is kinda pathetic, I wonder if any steel would stand to anything more than spreading butter with that grind. I get that its a light duty knife but how light can duty get? I'm struggling to understand the purpose of such a fragile tool, and such an expensive fragile tool at that.
     
  18. Jason B.

    Jason B. KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 13, 2007
    If its at average hardness like it looks to be then it will never handle the grind given to it, S30V is just not that good and does not possess that level of edge stability. Run it harder or pick a different steel seems like the obvious options.
     
  19. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    Yes, A2 maybe.
     
  20. pwet

    pwet

    Feb 13, 2009
    quoted myself from the other thread just to echo knifenut's comment. i'm pretty sure that a better suited steel could solve the problem. still have to take my caliper to it...

     

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