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mountain bike - my woods vehicle.

Discussion in 'Outdoor Gear, Survival Equipment & More' started by JV3, Jul 4, 2016.

  1. pinnah

    pinnah

    Jul 28, 2011
    IMO, it's a relevant question.

    I don't mountain bike but I am and Nordic backcountry skier (think, rugged XC skiing) and a (former) long-distance bike tourer. I'm also an avid backpacker.

    IMO, MTBing, XC skiing and UL trail running are all similar in that you can get way, way, way into the backcountry very fast and if things go bad, then what? I get the whole "speed is safety" concept but there are limits. I know a guy who was doing a relatively common 10 mile backcountry loop out of Waterville Valley NH several years ago. Very capable. AMC trip leader. He was skiing solo and caught a tip and double spiral fractured his femur. He told me he was on such pain, he couldn't get his pack off to get his parka for warmth or his SAT phone out to call for help. By great luck, he was discovered at dusk by another solo skier who was doing the same route and he survived (after 3 surgeries).

    I was on a 4 day trip 2 weekend ago and a trail runner, running low on water, asked me to point out where the trail was to go. He was another 11 miles from the trail head. This was at 4 in the afternoon. The mind boggles. What happens with a sprained ankle?

    I see more and more fat tired MTBers on the snow in the spring when out ski touring. I dunno. I'd be carrying a decently equipped pack or front panniers. Branch in the rear wheel and then what?
     
  2. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    Pinnah, I am fairly handy and I suspect I have all the tools I need for a re-furb of my bike. I would have problems with the gearing if I had to do anything with that. Replacing the fat knobby tires with something more akin to highway or dirt road riding is a good idea by the way. I think I am going to get out in the next week or so at Cades Cove (Smoky Mt NP) and do the loop by myself and take it slowly. Lots of people around if there are problems. The bears should be hitting the cherry trees about now which might yield some photo opportunities. Before I spend the money for anything, I am going to get the bike out, make sure everything works, and then do a little riding. I really don't want to buy a new bike, but if I get back into the riding groove, it would be a reasonable thing to do.

    Trail riding with bikes certainly increases the accident/injury potential. I personally have no interest in serious off road biking.
     
  3. Nfd538

    Nfd538

    Jul 9, 2015
    JV3, where in NJ are you I'm looking for riding company.
    My Giant Reign a 26er
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  4. jstn

    jstn Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 27, 2012
    Unfortunately, all my local trails are super overgrown this summer from all the rain, so just road biking for me. Can't wait for fall so I can hit the trails proper! Those are some awesome looking bikes you guys are riding!
     
  5. other memory

    other memory Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 15, 2012
    ... Not a Mt. Bike, but a touring bike... Yes. A knife than can hold an edge long enough so you don't have to carry a sharpening tool while on the road for a few days. A woodworking knife, like the Skookum Bush Tool.

    That's exactly why I came here. I was looking for a way to shed weight and bulk. The bushcrafters are/were onto something. Make stuff out of localized materials (usually wood and plastic) using a knife rather than carrying their pre-manufactured equivalents. Lite travelers can shed weight and bulk by carrying a knife. I don't carry tent stakes, I make them. I don't carry combustibles, I cut up localized wood. I don't carry tarp poles, I make them. I don't like carrying combustibles for many reasons, so getting rid of them was a big deal. That's a lot of weight and bulk I don't have to carry around on my bike for hours at a time. Who wants to carry weight and bulk if they don't have to? Touring/bike-camping is all about traveling lite and understated.
     
  6. ilmonster

    ilmonster

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    Dec 7, 2013
    I too am a mountain biker here in Wisconsin. Ride a Giant Anthem 27.5 on local trails. Also am a roadie and currently have a Orbea Orca. I happen to work in the bike industry, so I build up a new mtn. bike every other year or so. Usually buy a frame and build it up with our companies components. Road biking keeps me in shape and mtn. biking is the fun part - like little kid fun!

    Got to say, I don't carry a knife on my rides although I do carry a bike specific multitool.

    p.s. nice Niner's and Giants in the first post!
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2016
  7. alewn

    alewn Banned BANNED

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    Jun 22, 2016
    many have no idea how huge/heavy a load you can travel with on a bike, merely by strapping the front wheel in alignment with the frame and walking alongside of the bike/load. 100+ lbs, easily. A 35 gal drum, bulkwise. but if it's full of dense stuff, you need a partner on the other side of the bike, or you need downhill pavement to help you.
     
  8. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    I will clip on a light Spyderco like a Delica or go with a neck knife like my La Griffe.
     
  9. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    The Viet Cong used this method to transport many kinds of supplies on their trails. Using a bike to support a larger load is one of the SHTF/bug out strategies.
     
  10. BluegrassBrian

    BluegrassBrian

    Apr 20, 2015
    If I'm just out riding on the street at night I keep any one of my folders on me..usually my BM 761 because it's so light.

    If I'm on the trails with my pack I'll strap on a fixed blade, usually a Kephart.
     
  11. pinnah

    pinnah

    Jul 28, 2011
    I'd be curious to know where you tour that allows for such consumptive camping practices. Would also be interested how many hours a day you're riding to make room for such time intensive practices.

    I rode self supported from Seattle to Boston years ago and did my share of camping on the fringes of society. UL gear is pretty light and awfully time efficient. Whether I'm backpacking, ski touring or bike touring, I'm not particularly interested in time, effort and impact that "bushcraft" demands.
     
  12. alewn

    alewn Banned BANNED

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    Jun 22, 2016
    if guys are so smart and capable, why are they alone in hazardous places/conditions?
     
  13. JV3

    JV3 Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 17, 2010
    i don't know if he moved here...that was a trek-sponsored event so he might've just flown in for it. i gotta say though, i was surprised how pretty stylish he was...i don't know why but i was expecting a surfer-dude or hardcore-climber type look (torn jeans, raggedy clothes and all).

    i've been to a few demo days here and try to stay away from them now...total money pit seeing all the latest and greatest bikes! i want to stay in ignorant bliss with my old bike :D


    you're welcome! guys, feel free to post anything bicycle-related here...we already have 22-rimfire thinking of going back to riding and that's awesome.


    can't go wrong with a giant! they have the most bang for the buck. i'm not sure if it's still the case but people told me years ago giant makes the frames for most of the major brands (trek, specialized, etc.). only the really high-end models do the makers make the frame themselves.

    riding with whatever bike you already have is a good idea...the point is just to get out there :)


    good question...that depends on the weather but i usually have my edc knife (spyderco's sprint run orange paramilitary 2) because it's too valuable to risk being stolen.

    regardless of how cold it is we tend to ride until the snow gets to be too thick to ride so the colder it gets the more elaborate my kit becomes...in the colder months i'll toss in an orange mora companion along with a firekit and heat blanket or two, especially if i'm alone...basically, i go from just what i edc in my pants' pockets (knife, flashlight, cordage, cell phone, and orange bandanna) to a full blown day hike kit in the winter months...sure, a day hike kit is extra weight but that means i'll be getting more of a workout in a shorter distance and the goal is getting exercise anyway.

    i ride with a tight-knit group of friends and when one stops to take a long breather, mechanical, etc. everyone stops...and i mean everyone, we don't split the group. a few winters ago a friend had his rear derailleur rip off and chain snapped and while everyone were shivering in low 20's fixing his bike i stood there warm enough with my winter jacket and beanie on...i think that was the last time anyone rode with just their shorts and t-shirts on...sure, they've gotten away with just the bare minimum for years but it only takes that one event to remind them it can get serious quickly.


    ditto...it's bad enough to try to walk just a few feet with my clipless shoes on the parking lot...can't imagine trying to walk out of there with an injury for miles.


    nice bike! we mainly ride up north: jungle habitat (west milford), lewis morris (morristown) and the southern-most being six mile run (new brunswick?)...and trails near those.

    pm me for your e-mail so i can give you a head's up where we're riding...i don't always ride but a couple of my friends are almost always riding sundays and you'd be most welcome to join...it's a no drop ride so the usual schedule is roll by 9 am and end around lunch time...if for some reason someone has an irreparable damage and has to walk out of there then everyone walks too, no excuses :)


    thanks! i rode ride too when i can't go to the woods...this was last sunday at a local park. i got a pretty good workout for just 2 hours of riding. normally, that would've just been the drive to & from the woods.

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    i'd like to try off-road bike-camping one day but i don't know of any areas here.


    thanks! my friend with that black giant is like you - he builds a new bike every other year or so...the side benefit is he sells the old one to one of us...he sold that orange niner for dirt cheap, like $1k or so :eek:...also the same guy who won't think twice about disassembling the whole thing to wash and lube it if it gets dirty...every trip his bike looks brand new it's so shiny and waxed :D


    i didn't know the viet cong did that...smart!


    bike and kephart pics? :) a kephart is one of my favorites.
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2016
  14. other memory

    other memory Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 15, 2012
    My post was misleading because “I ride” a touring bike. I don't tour, at least not yet. I mostly bike camp with family and friends. 125-200 mile round-trip affairs. I ride a touring bike because they are designed to haul, and their positioning characteristics/geometry fits my urban commuting needs to a tee.

    Yes, fast pace stealth camping is a discipline in itself. One of its aspects and benefits is time efficiency. Riders do need to get in and out fast. Time efficiency isn't important if the activity (camping with family and friends) is all about spending and taking one’s time. Yes, using a knife to make things takes time.

    Hopefully that clears matters up.
     
  15. Gizler00

    Gizler00 Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 19, 2006
    Nice bikes!! I love riding! I'm still rocking the 26er.

    Here's my 06 Prophet!

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  16. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    I guess for the same reason that people climb mountains, cliffs, explore caves and old underground mines, and hang glide.... for the thrill and the challenge.

    Cleaned up my mountain bike and checked it out. Everything seems to work and the tires hold air. So, it's time to ride.
     
  17. baldtaco-II

    baldtaco-II

    Feb 28, 2006
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  18. alewn

    alewn Banned BANNED

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    Jun 22, 2016
    they don't climb serious mountains alone. If you rent a satellite phone, it will one day prove to be worth far more than all the other gear you can carry. Chris McCandless had gear, but he's dead now.
     
  19. Jeepfreak38

    Jeepfreak38

    33
    Aug 15, 2014
    I'd post a pic of my Trek Fuel 29er, but evidently, I don't know how.
     
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2016
  20. JV3

    JV3 Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 17, 2010
    nice bike! maybe it's just the pic but how tall are you? 7 feet? haha. nice truck on the background too! i'm partial to matte black myself...that's actually how i decided which bikes to buy - top priority is the color and components second :D


    time to ride - oh yeah! how'd it go?


    my friends rode at night one time and quickly realized our headlamps and flashlights are not bright enough...that and no one wanted to be in front or at the back :p


    upload the pic on photobucket, etc. and copy the url of the image itself (it should end in .jpeg, .jpg or something similiar) and then enclose that url with [...IMG...] and [.../IMG...] tags and paste it directly on the message but remove the three periods before and after.

    e-mail me for more help if you need to...we need to see pics of that fuel :)
     

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