Thanks again, I looked a lot of reviews and it seemed 65 % of people like them and 35% did not hate them but felt they did not live up to their task. I picked one up on Monday after purging my gear for most of the funds to buy it, waiting for it to arrive so we will see. The only other MR I have owned was a three day pack I bought seconds hand and quickly sold cause I had way to many bags so i d i didnt get to use it.. The only other "heavy duty" type frame I have tried was aeblerlestock F1, well made but did not fit me well. My problem is the only way to tell is to buy and use it but you end up losing $$ in the process. Thanks again.