Small head hatchets/tomahawks

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Do any of you fellas own a small ( less than 1 lb. head) hatchets/tomahawks ? If so, i'd like to see some pics, and am wondering if any makers forge something along the lines of the old Colclesser-type of small heads ( single-bit ). The closest thing I've seen is the GB mini. I've recently noticed my hatchet collection is accumulating just like my knives are, and am interested in small hatchets/tomahawks that can easily be carried in a backpack or BoB.:)
 
Fiskars makes a real nice hand axe for cheap cheap. HB Forge makes a lady hawk and a belt axe that are real nice. I fit a full sized tomahawk in my BOB so you shouldn't have issues. Then again I like going heavy.
 
Stephen, are you located in Canada? It doesn't say on your site.

Pete
 
The Cold Steel trail hawk head I just bought is about 13 ounces. I have a GB mini as well and if I were going to do the "you can only have one" game I would take my GB mini over any of my knives. Last time we were camping, I made a figure 4 trap with it.
 
I just bought a Wetterlings wildlife hatchet (13''). I really like it a lot and will keep it,but am just looking for something lighter in a traditional pattern. There are some real nice ones on Stephen's site though.
 
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don't know what you want to spend, but Lee Reeves makes a very nicesmall hatchet around 11 inches long and easy to pack up.

if you like them you may have to wait a year or so he is a busy man, i got lucky and found one on an auction.
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what looks like staining at the edge is where he forged metals together so it has a 1080 edge and a 1017 body of the head so it will hold an edge and handle the shock.

it has with out a doubt the most comfortable handle ever. period.

Pat
 
OK - this raises the question what is the difference in use betwen a small hatchet and a hawk. There seems to have been some crossover in history

I for example have the standard cold steel trail hawk - what do I lose/gain say against a GB mini hatchet.

After all wern't the hawks sold to the Indians as an early form of hatche/multi tool?

- the hawk has a longer and less ergonomic handle
- The blade is not convexed - but it can be, and not as good quality temper
- Cutting ability?
- Hammering/general use?
- Obviously the hawk can be thrown, and it is easier to improvise a handle for it
 
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The mini is a great little survival tool in that it's small and lightweight but still does a good job chopping. It out chops anything out there of similar weight. But where it really shines is in the ergo's. You can do a lot of knife work with it that is hard to do with a bigger hatchet/hawk. I've carved a figure four and made fajitas with it and then went out and chopped through some apple limbs so it's a well rounded survival tool.

The tomahawk(I have the trail hawk) is a chopper/weapon. It does out perform the mini in chopping and as a weapon because it's heavier and longer. If you set your hawk up so that the head comes off easily then you have a decent blade to use for finer tasks. I, like most of the members I talk to, don't have that option because I have the head seated real tight so it doesn't come off easily and so has to be paired with a knife. Whereas the mini can be a stand alone tool.

I'd say that if you want a weapon/chopper and are okay with the weight to stick with your trail hawk. If you're watching the pounds you carry but still want a good wood working tool to get the mini. I'll carry one or the other depending on what I'm doing.

Edit: One thing I forgot to mention. If you're into the aesthetics of your tools, there's nothing prettier than a Gransfors IMO. :D
 
OK - this raises the question what is the difference in use betwen a small hatchet and a hawk. There seems to have been some crossover in history
Tomahawks were designed as weapons-with thinner blades, lighter overall weight, more angled edges etc, for both throwing and hand to hand combat. Hatchets usually have a full head, all the way back to the eye, and a thicker edge for splitting/chopping. Both can be used effectively for field utility
 
Thanks - that explains it.

Why did the settlers provide tomahawks to the Indian's. I assume the settlers arrived with hatchets and axes so ...They must have had tomahawks made to suit Indian needs.

So the stories about American woodsmen carrying tomahawks could be somewhat misleading. Many would be more at the hatchet end of the spectrum?
 
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Thanks - that explains it.

Why did the settlers provide tomahawks to the indian's.

initially at least, they didn't provide tomahawks, which have different physics from hatchets and Belt Axes, brother - according to the diaries i've read from the 1600's on the subject, which had drawings of the items in question. - they furnished Trade Axes, which were heavy like hatchets usually, with finer bits, like hawks, and more edge.

the natives trimmed them down, for a variety of reasons; from the techniques they used, to steel conservation, to weight issues, and who knows what else.

I assume the settlers arrived with hatchets and axes so ...They must have had tomohawks made to suit Indian needs.

kindly see above.


Sow the stories about american woodsmen carrying tomhawks could be somewhat misleading. Many would likely to be more at the hatchet end of the spectrum?

i don't think its misleading at all, brother. - they actually carried them, the more they were in line with the local ways and means, from what i have read. Lewis and Clark were documented as carrying what i woudl call a hawk (and they did too) along with swords adn muskets. what studs. wish i coulda been there.

i think the further east you went, the more likely you were to meet a white man with a hatchet or axe, unless he was with the Natives, while the further west you went, you were more likley to meet a pioneer with an axe or hatchet, but a Mountain Man, who travelled a lot on foot and kept his Possibles on him probably all the time, had a pared down arrangement, which meant rifle in hand, knife and hawk on the sash... the Mountain Man was ready to sprint with his essentials, or fight, or be dead.

the hawk died down as repeating arms became more common, from what i can tell (in general).

Hawks are for travelling, and it is a shame that folks think they are mainly weapons. Hawks were the original multi-tool.


all that said, before the introduction of Steel into the Native Economy, they used various clubs and choppers made from Natural Materials that were known as tomahawken by the Explorers in the Great Lakes Regions.

at least that's what i remember, it's been a while since i researched all that stuff.

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i keep hearing Belt Axes and Hatchets and big Axe heads on Slip Handles all being called Tomahawks.

i perceive that as a mistake, a misnomer.

all of these good tools can be identified by their physics, the prime quality of which is a proper hawk will have an ounce of weight per inch of length, give or take ten percent.

a hatchet will be between 1 ounce and 1.5 ounces per inch of length.

a War Hammer or Forest Axe will be about 1.5 ounces per inch of length.

they will all handle differently, but have overlap in their practicality, both as weapons and tools.


hawks are my first tool, when it comes to going to the bush.

i think folks need to stop thinking with the (modern) European Mindset - there is no need to chop down trees with any chopper when you can do it with mud and fire as many of the Natives did. why baton your survival tool through a log when you can split it with wood wedges? it isn't a race is it? i see a lot of guys acting like it is. whatever. hope you don't freeze when that sweat is exposed to freezing night air, bubba.so ya drop the axe.

there isn't much that can get through a Moose or Elk carcass as fast as a tomahawk in skilled hands. so you drop the hatchet, for the increased length overall of the hawk with less weight.


these are just generalizations, of course, but it's how i like to roll, and it is justified by historical references on this continent, when you survived by your tools, you didn't just camp with them.

[/rant] - hope i wasn't too obnoxious, brethren.

i just love hawks.

vec
 
So, Vec, this is a question I've been wanting to ask, and you've given me the lead in...

If I wanted to buy one of your 'hawks, and wanted it designed more for the utility end of the spectrum as opposed to the weapon side, what would I get? (Note: if you feel this would better be answered in a separate thread, feel free to do so.)

Thanks!
 
Something from Guild Knives & Tools for those needing compact and lighter fare....


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