Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

I think there could actually be some problem with NSM/Crucible/Peter’s etc. But Guy has cried wolf so many times that no one believed him.
 
NSM/Crucible have admitted and others have confirmed there was a small batch of bad steel I forget the number but it was like maybe 30 blades effected which for Guy was less than 10% so nothing that would or should stop or cause serious impact to such a business. From what others have input the Peter's issues have believed to be primarily Guy's own fault in that the blades were too close to final thickness before being sent for HT leaving insufficient tolerance to clean up to desired thickness and "quality" standards.

NSM/Crucible also already replaced, bought back, or made an offer for their known issue everything else was Guy BS and as for Peters well they can't fix an issue in his process which there has been no real alternative put forth to the suspected issue on Guy's end so I don't think there actually is or was any problem with any of the 3 parties beyond the single minor issue which was or could have been corrected if Guy wasn't trying to make constant excuses and throw others under the buss for what all amounts to his own issues, failings, or malicious intent.
 
Riz! said:
Hes gotta delete/restrict access to all the evidence of unfulfilled orders and ignored messages requesting refunds.
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The wayback archive has plenty of snapshots of his "Production Schedule", with knives sitting in the shipping now or soon category for several years.
 
Laurarium said:
I think there could actually be some problem with NSM/Crucible/Peter’s etc. But Guy has cried wolf so many times that no one believed him.
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Let me just reiterate that Guy's really inflated the issue.
No company is immune from problems, and it seems like Peter's made good on the decarburization debacle and NSM made an outstanding effort to help fixed whatever problem Guy was having.

The fact is, a company should have the ability to eat some loss and move on.
It's obvious that Survive! Knives didn't have enough money to persist even without issues.
Blade Forums called it when "we" (even before I arrived) said that Guy was spending new preorder money to make knives for old orders.
There's very little chance of getting out of that mire once you get into it.
 
Citori said:
The wayback archive has plenty of snapshots of his "Production Schedule", with knives sitting in the shipping now or soon category for several years.
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Oh yeah, anyone who'd be interested in prosecuting him would have plenty of evidence.
That stuff doesn't go away.

My concern right now is that the PA AG is going to look at Guy in his current destitute situation and determine they don't want to take legal action.
 
ncrockclimb said:
Did S!K / Guy just delete their FB and Insta profiles? I cannot see either.
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Seems like it- I was just reading some of the Reddit reactions to the news from two months ago and one thread started out with a link to the "welp, that's all folks!" video on instagram.
The link is broken, so I'm sure Guy's taken down everything that's S!K related.

I wonder what it's going to feel like to people who were waiting on GSO 10's and 12's from 2015 who one day go to check up on their orders and there's nothing anywhere; just a ghost town.
 
EngrSorenson said:
Yeah, I don’t bother with most of that because I imagine some of that goes with the “I’ve run my business into the ground” territory, but it’s certainly true. The sheer amount they owe customers is the part I find truly astonishing.

I sincerely hope law makers take a closer look at the practice of preordering. Done responsibility, it works, but knuckleheads like Guy use it to fund their enterprise and get caught with their pants down when it’s refund time.
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The burning of bridges with leaders of the industry (peters, Crucible, larrin thomas, and nsm) had nothing to do with poor business management. That was all to either get more money/product out of the companies but mostly just to use an excuse to continue the scam and once again blame someone else. It might be the most upsetting part of the whole saga. Who goes after cpm the way guy did? It's literally crazy to do so.
 
Just taking some trips back down memory lane-
I io333 Do you remember when you said this?
But all of the accusations there, about him being a sociopath or worse... well it's not true now, is it. He's pretty close to sending out every last knife that was owed.
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Boy, that aged well.
So close... like... only 1 million dollars worth of product away from being done with his back log.

I wonder if any one knife can be so good that it outweighs the failed deliveries of 3500 other knives?
 
craytab said:
The burning of bridges with leaders of the industry (peters, Crucible, larrin thomas, and nsm) had nothing to do with poor business management. That was all to either get more money/product out of the companies but mostly just to use an excuse to continue the scam and once again blame someone else. It might be the most upsetting part of the whole saga. Who goes after cpm the way guy did? It's literally crazy to do so.
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Guy tried so hard to tactically separate those legitimate companies from their money to save his.
"oh, if we could just afford a laywer" - Nothin' doin'.
It's all upsetting to think about, but the one that really pisses me of was when he was like, "yeah, where's Larrin Thomas to weigh in on this?".
... As if Larrin owes him anything.

I'm not sure what's next for Guy, but I'm hoping it's unpleasant.
 
C Citori you are correct but the website held all off peoples’ coms back and forth on the message feature and all of their order numbers and dates and values. The evidence of every single unfulfilled order was right there.
 
"Guy tried so hard to tactically separate those legitimate companies from their money to save his.
"oh, if we could just afford a laywer" - Nothin' doin'.
It's all upsetting to think about, but the one that really pisses me of was when he was like, "yeah, where's Larrin Thomas to weigh in on this?".
... As if Larrin owes him anything.

I'm not sure what's next for Guy, but I'm hoping it's unpleasant."



That probably sums up my feelings better than any other recent post.

Guy and Ellie were definitely a pair, and we're all better off without their "services".

It's a shame that they likely will be held accountable for a only fraction of the amount of money they have stolen from the community.
 
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EngrSorenson said:
Oh yeah, anyone who'd be interested in prosecuting him would have plenty of evidence.
That stuff doesn't go away.

My concern right now is that the PA AG is going to look at Guy in his current destitute situation and determine they don't want to take legal action.
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I'm no expert on this, but I also think the pa da would be limited to crime in pa. How much of this stuff went down when guy was in Idaho. Also, rounding up a significant amount of aggrieved customers can present an issue. Prosecuting survive is a logistical headache that might not be worth the squeeze. I think the fact that the pa da got involved, and to my eye, clearly helped shut down the con by letting guy know he is on watch, was a significant action in the ending of this story.
 
EngrSorenson said:
Just taking some trips back down memory lane-
I io333 Do you remember when you said this?


Boy, that aged well.
So close... like... only 1 million dollars worth of product away from being done with his back log.

I wonder if any one knife can be so good that it outweighs the failed deliveries of 3500 other knives?
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Just read the thread by io333, lol.
 
Laurarium said:
Just read the thread by io333, lol.
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Given two view points, both for and against, usually expect the truth to be somewhere in the middle.

This case is interesting though, because on one hand you have the true believers who trusted Guy and his word, and on the other you have people who didn’t trust Guy because of 9+ years of unfulfilled promises.

The data didn’t lie. Everyone who projected that Guy would never overcome his back order log was exactly right. It’s a powerful “I told you so” that needs to ring loud and clear to encourage people to not be so trusting in the future.

There’s a lot of people who took up arms to defend the honor of S!K.

What damns Guy’s story about the industry tanking him is the fact that we projected this outcome long before started tossing Peter’s and NSM under the bus. His business was doomed and he was always going to try and find a scapegoat.
 
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