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Three-pin scales vs. single pin

Discussion in 'Camillus Collector's Forum' started by buckthorn, Dec 24, 2020.

  1. buckthorn

    buckthorn

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    Mar 20, 2006
    When did Camillus switch from traditional three-pin scales to single-pin with two molded protrusions inserted through holes in the liner? Did the change happen all at once? Can the type of pinning be used to date a knife? Thanks!
     
  2. Vit_213

    Vit_213

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    Feb 4, 2011
    What model or series are you asking about?
     
  3. black mamba

    black mamba Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 21, 2009
    There are two models of Uncle Henry knives which were made by Camillus for Schrade from 1979-1982. Both the smaller 898UH @ 3.4" and the larger 886UH @ 3.9" had the single pin construction.

    898UH
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    886UH
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  4. buckthorn

    buckthorn

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  5. buckthorn

    buckthorn

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    Perhaps something like the #67 stockman as an example. I believe it was made (sequentially) with both type scales and also (again sequentially) with both 1095 and one of the stainless grades.
     
  6. Phil Gibbs

    Phil Gibbs Cutlery Student Platinum Member

    Nov 11, 1998
    I believe the original Delrin Stud design occured early on in the 300 series Bucks in the early 70's.
     
  7. buckthorn

    buckthorn

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    Mar 20, 2006
    Thank you Phil. Can I assume it then took a few years until most of the Camillus had also been switched to the Delrin stud construction?
     
  8. buckthorn

    buckthorn

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    I just searched though the 1976 and 1977 catalogs, as reproduced here. Looking at the basic "Cabone" scale knives (such as the #67, for example) they were three-pin in 1976 and one-pin ("Delrin stud") in 1977. I imagine that some of the actual production during each of those years did not reflect this but it seems can we assume that 1976-1977 is the date for the switchover to have occurred. It's interesting to note that this change would not have coincided with the change from 440A to 420HC that we suspect happened around 1990. I'm surely no expert so any clarification (or confirmation) would be welcome! Thanks everyone.
     
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  9. bertl

    bertl Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 17, 2011
    That sounds right to me. The 300 Series made by Camillus for Buck quit using handle pins in about 1971-1972 and went to the Delrin Studs.

    Bert

    scale rivets.jpg
     
  10. buckthorn

    buckthorn

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    Mar 20, 2006
    From this image it appears that this liner could be used with either single-pin (Delrin stud) or three-pin (traditional) construction. Is that correct?
     
  11. buckthorn

    buckthorn

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    Mar 20, 2006
    Did these Camillus-made Uncle Henry models use Swinden Key construction or conventional pivot pin construction? And can they be identified as Camillus-made by the "SCC" tang stamp?
     
  12. bertl

    bertl Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 17, 2011
    I don't know the answer, but my guess is that parts for the earlier pin construction were modified for the Delrin stud. There isn't any reason to throw inventory away if it can be modified.

    Bert
     
  13. buckthorn

    buckthorn

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    Mar 20, 2006
    Thanks Bert. What you say makes sense-all that would have been required was to drill (or punch) a couple of extra holes.
     
  14. Phil Gibbs

    Phil Gibbs Cutlery Student Platinum Member

    Nov 11, 1998
    The liners with both delrin stud & rivet holes would be quite rare I think.
    These would have been made in the transition, & would likely have been the first “single pin” knives made.
     
  15. buckthorn

    buckthorn

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    Mar 20, 2006
    Thanks Phil for adding to our understanding of the transition.
     
  16. black mamba

    black mamba Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 21, 2009
    I thought only the Schrade built knives used Swindon key construction, but not positive about it. I do believe you're right about the S.C.C. tang stamp, but also the blade shapes are not typical Schrade.
     
  17. buckthorn

    buckthorn

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    Thanks black mamba. That was also my assumption, but I was wondering only because these are particular Uncle Henry models. I haven't looked carefully enough to notice blade differences. Otherwise, if someone liked the Uncle Henrys, but not Swindon construction, these S.C.C. stamped knives might be the ones to seek!
     
  18. buckthorn

    buckthorn

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    Mar 20, 2006
    black mamba I just realized I have a Schrade-built 897UH in my pocket and compared it with the image above. I can't discern any differences except the California clip main blade might be a bit wider in the Camillus version, but that could also be a function of the optics. What blade differences are you aware of? Thanks.
     
  19. Phil Gibbs

    Phil Gibbs Cutlery Student Platinum Member

    Nov 11, 1998
    Camillus never did any Swindon Construction. I spent 2 weeks at Schrade learning how to tool up for it under Dave Swindon. We just never bothered following through with it at Camillus. Although that method of assembly pretty much eliminated rejects for pin-shows, it had it's own problems & challenges.

    If I recall the Uncle Henrys we built were using Schrade made blades, springs, center-scales & handles along with Camillus made bolster-scales.
     
  20. buckthorn

    buckthorn

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    Mar 20, 2006
    Thanks Phil! That pretty much clarifies it all. Now to search for those SCC-marked Uncle Henry Stockmans (Stockmen?)
     
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