Traditional Folding Military Knives

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Pocket knives have certainly been used during military conflicts since at least Roman times, but they were not officially issued until around the mid 1800s in the United States. During the American Civil War, many soldiers carried a civilian pocket knife, but the only official folders were issued by the Navy. These early Navy folding knives were primarily used for cutting rope on board the ships and all blades on those folders had squared off ends. It is stated, but not proven, that the reason for the non pointed blades was to minimize the risk of injury to sailors during normal use or in fights with each other.

Enclosed are two early Sheffield made examples which were produced for two different countries. The top model was made by Alfred Williams and has a "U. S. NAVY" stamp lengthwise on the blade. It dates to the late 1800s and is very similar in appearance to models used during the American Civil War. The bottom knife was made by H. G. Long and was called the "Admiralty Pattern 301." This model was used by the British Navy from circa 1910 to the early 1930s. Both knives have genuine stag handles with steel liners and bolsters. Each handle measures at 4-1/2 inches with an overall length of 8 inches.

The English were keen on folding marlin spikes (as seen on the bottom model) on their knives which were extremely useful for untying knots in rope. These marlin spikes first appeared on English Navy type knives in the 1880s, but oddly, American Navy folders did not have marlin spikes included on folders until WWII.

There are two good books on Military knives which are :
British and Commonwealth Military Knives by Ron Flook
Pocket Knives of the United States Military by Michael Silvey

Please ad other examples.

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Neal, not only stunning but very interesting knives, thanks for starting a very interesting thread:thumbsup:
 
Pocket knives have certainly been used during military conflicts since at least Roman times, but they were not officially issued until around the mid 1800s in the United States. During the American Civil War, many soldiers carried a civilian pocket knife, but the only official folders were issued by the Navy. These early Navy folding knives were primarily used for cutting rope on board the ships and all blades on those folders had squared off ends. It is stated, but not proven, that the reason for the non pointed blades was to minimize the risk of injury to sailors during normal use or in fights with each other.

Enclosed are two early Sheffield made examples which were produced for two different countries. The top model was made by Alfred Williams and has a "U. S. NAVY" stamp lengthwise on the blade. It dates to the late 1800s and is very similar in appearance to models used during the American Civil War. The bottom knife was made by H. G. Long and was called the "Admiralty Pattern 301." This model was used by the British Navy from circa 1910 to the early 1930s. Both knives have genuine stag handles with steel liners and bolsters. Each handle measures at 4-1/2 inches with an overall length of 8 inches.

The English were keen on folding marlin spikes (as seen on the bottom model) on their knives which were extremely useful for untying knots in rope. These marlin spikes first appeared on English Navy type knives in the 1880s, but oddly, American Navy folders did not have marlin spikes included on folders until WWII.

There are two good books on Military knives which are :
British and Commonwealth Military Knives by Ron Flook
Pocket Knives of the United States Military by Michael Silvey

Please ad other examples.

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Gorgeous knives! Excellent examples!

I believe this is an early 1950's ABL Belgium Army Knife modded (hope it still counts) by glennbad.
 
I have this Colonial WW2 Navy folding knife the saw blade is broken.


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The oldest known French military knife is the Navy knife, aka Montpellier. It was standard in the French Navy (still named "La Royale :rolleyes:") since the 18th century, then abandoned when sailing was replaced by steam (built by Cognet since 1890).

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In 1878 the Véritable Pradel Cy (with a Chassepot rifle over Pradel blade hetching) created the Gabier (topman) clearly aimed at the Navy, that was officialy adopted in 1903 by the MoW as the Armée Coloniale knife hence his "colonial" nickname. It remained standard in the Armée d'Afrique until 1939.
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In 1914 the "Poilus" (nickname of the Infantry troopers) received this 23 Couvreu. (picture B. Arthaud)
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More recently the Air Commando knife, also used in the pilots rescue kit. Made by SCOF and BIAT.
(picture Lefrere)
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There's also a multi blade issued for the AirForce.
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There's a lot of "specialised" fixed blade, but this is out of scope.
Hoping I don't reveal a Military Secret, I can say there's a new army EDC to replace the former soon. (today's are made by Tarrerias-Bonjean)

There's also a book on soldiers knives.
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(most info from http://couteauxdepoche.forumchti.com/)
 
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Two great knives my friend, but the top one is a real treasure :thumbsup:

I suspect that many of the images are now missing, but you may find this thread on Military Clasp Knives of interest (Blimey, does the BF 'Search' function stink?! Couldn't even find it by searching on the thread title! :mad:): http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/military-clasp-knives.1094371/

Also, a great deal of discussion on US Navy Knives (and of point lopping), in Charlie's thread here, including excerpts from the US Navy Regulations: http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/world-war-i-navy-issue-knife.1344687/

Great pics here too: http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/navy-issue-knives.1032781/

Adding a pic of my 301, which you have of course handled - picked up for a fiver! ;)



I have a large collection of military folding knives (been thinning it out a bit recently), and will try and get some pics later :thumbsup:
 
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Great thread!
I love this kind of information on what was used by our forefathers, origins of patterns and the beautiful pictures of all of these hard working purpose built knives.
 
H herder thanks for an interesting article! A comment and a question:

It's my impression that the marlinspike (I have always seen it written as one word) was often used when splicing line for separating the strands (or "lays").

I wonder if the TL-29 could be included in this category. In my experience that pattern was quite popular with the Electrician's Mate and Interior Communications Electrician (and other) ratings in the navy.
 
The oldest known French military knife is the Navy knife, aka Montpellier. It was standard in the French Navy (still named "La Royale :rolleyes:") since the 18th century, then abandoned when sailing was replaced by steam (built by Cognet since 1890). (Cognet picture)
montpellier%20bois.jpg


In 1878 the Véritable Pradel Cy (with a Chassepot rifle over Pradel blade hetching) created the Gabier (topman) clearly aimed at the Navy, that was officialy adopted in 1903 by the MoW as the Armée Coloniale knife hence his "colonial" nickname. It remained standard in the Armée d'Afrique until 1939. (not my picture)
Pradel_Colonial.jpg


In 1914 the "Poilus" (nickname of the Infantry troopers) received this 23 Couvreu. (picture B. Arthaud)
dsc03411.jpg


More recently the Air Commando knife, also used in the pilots rescue kit. Made by SCOF and BIAT.
(picture Lefrere)
dsc00012.jpg

511.jpg


There's also a multi blade issued for the AirForce. (not my picture)
AAF.jpg


There's a lot of "specialised" fixed blade, but this is out of scope.
Hoping I don't reveal a Military Secret, I can say there's a new army EDC to replace the former soon. (today's are made by Tarrerias-Bonjean)

There's also a book on soldiers knives.
img_2120.jpg


(most info from http://couteauxdepoche.forumchti.com/)

Merci bien, this is an awesome thread guys. Myself in the 4th grade would have gone wild for this type of stuff. I have always loved these historical military arms and armour, especially knives...and guns...and everything! Well you need a full picture after all.
 
Here's a 5 blade Ulster scout knife. Issued to the 10th mountain division during WW2. It is called a junior scout as it is slightly smaller than a standard 3 5/8" scout. Apparently issued to the joint US/Canadian First Special Service Force also..
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That's a very cool knife Mark. They trained at Camp Hale at high elevation here in Colorado.
 
Very nice stag on Neal and Jack's knives. This is by Henckels. It has "Deutches Armeemesser" stamped on the hoof pick. Maybe World War I era, according to some google searches.
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Thanks Mike, that's a hugely interesting pattern :thumbsup:

Here's a 5 blade Ulster scout knife. Issued to the 10th mountain division during WW2. It is called a junior scout as it is slightly smaller than a standard 3 5/8" scout. Apparently issued to the joint US/Canadian First Special Service Force also..
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Superb Ulster Mark :thumbsup:
 
Here's a British Army WW1 8173-1914 pattern, sometimes referred to as a 'Gift Knife. This example is by Joseph Allen.



Here's one with the Keen Kutter stamp, made by Camillus I think, probably for the Canadians :thumbsup:

 
Paul, thanks, and I'm already overwhelmed with the many great posts so far.

Vaporstang, Thanks, and that is a beautiful Belgian folder. And of course, fantastic work by Glennbad!!!

r redden, great example of a WWII Naval aircraft survival knife. I have the same model with the "United G.R. Mich." stamping.

Jolipapa, Fantastic array of European military models and thanks also for the corresponding information and book credit, I will look for that one.

Jack, Thanks for the additional links with great information included. And yes, it was a pleasure to handle that wonderful 301 model!!!

Neko2, thanks for the nice comments.

Ace Rimmer, you are correct on both accounts. Marlinspike is generally used as one word, and splicing is another function which I only briefly remembered.

smiling knife, beautiful example of an all metal Turner, you don't see many with "Canada" markings.

pistonsandgears, great example of a classic military model.

Mike Robuck, nice example from one of the best German firms.

Ramrodmb, another American classic, and in wonderful condition.

Lapedog, thanks for the nice comments.

Jack, again :) just a fantastic group of English military models!!! I will be looking those over a few times...
 
Here's a British Army WW1 8173-1914 pattern, sometimes referred to as a 'Gift Knife. This example is by Joseph Allen.



Here's one with the Keen Kutter stamp, made by Camillus I think, probably for the Canadians :thumbsup:



Wow Jack, two more great examples!!!
 
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