Why Toolless Disassembly Should Be The Future of Knife Design

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Dan57, Nov 16, 2020.

  1. Danke42


    Feb 10, 2015
    I have a few knives I take apart. They have tool steel blades and I've forced a patina on them. After doing that I like to take a look in the pivot area to make sure there is no rust forming.

    Not really a man in the street kind of thing I guess.
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  2. 000Robert

    000Robert Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 28, 2020
    I love my tools. And I like to have an excuse to use them.
  3. sabre cat

    sabre cat Basic Member Basic Member

    Jul 4, 2014
    I don’t agree. The average knife owner won’t buy the folder that you can field strip without tools.

    They also don’t bother to maintain their knives to the same standard we do.
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  4. MarkN86


    Sep 3, 2012
    I can appreciate the idea, but I'm not sure it's worth it. The sheer amount of engineering and expense it would take is not worth the minimal gain involved.

    There are some knives that don't go back together as well as they did in the factory. I went though my take apart phase but I'm over it. Severe dirt issues or parts replacement are the only reason I disassemble now and I'm fine with using torx.
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2020
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  5. vjb.knife

    vjb.knife Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 2, 2002
    I have a knife that you can completely take apart without any tools.
  6. tiguy7

    tiguy7 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 25, 2008
    image.jpeg The CRKT Homestead is a model that can be field stripped without tools.
  7. Houlahound

    Houlahound Basic Member Basic Member

    Aug 2, 2017
    In fact the modern trend for every other manufactured thing is no disassembly possible - given that fact I would like to disassemble a knife because there is nothing else left to disassemble.
  8. tiguy7

    tiguy7 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 25, 2008
    image.jpeg image.jpeg Sometimes corrosion develops in the pivot area. A wire brush and fine ceramic stone can restore the free movement. In the "after" picture, all the observed rust is below the bearing surface.
  9. Lodd

    Lodd Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 23, 2015
    I disagree, but for other reasons than listed in the thread.

    I live in the Netherlands and that means that warranty often means sending knives overseas. That makes it a lot more attractive to be able to do things yourself. However, I worry about the concessions that will have to be made in a toolless design. Will it still be as sturdy? Will it still look as good?

    I also think that everyone should have a standard set of tools in or around their home. That said, there is absolutely no reason to use proprietary screws. That just sucks. Just use standard inbus or torx. I do think it would be better if the knife industry settles on a universal standard for this, much like phones now all have USB charging (except Iphones because apple would rather incur the fine).
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  10. not2sharp

    not2sharp Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 29, 1999
    That is not a feature that I need. I have better things to do than trying to find tiny knife parts in a field. There is usually no need to take a folder apart unless something is broken. What are you going to do, carry spare parts?

    If you are having that kind of problem with your folder, it is time to consider a fixed blade.

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  11. Mikel_24


    Sep 19, 2007
    Same here living in Spain.

  12. ArchVV

    ArchVV Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 8, 2015
    The CKF SNECX (on bottom in pics) utilizes tool-less construction, where the pocket clip serves as a pivot device.

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  13. Smaug

    Smaug Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 30, 2003
    Who said anything about taking a knife apart in a field?

    That CRKT shown earlier is one that soldiers might like these days because they're serving in a place where there's lots of sand and it gets everywhere. It's nice to be able to take it apart and rinse it out when they get back to the base, instead of just leaving it all grindy. (Just like they might do with an M-16.)
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  14. DMG

    DMG Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 30, 2005
    With compressed air or brake cleaner I can my knives every bit as clean as I would by disassembly. Where does this steel dust come from?
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  15. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    Never took apart a modern knife in my life and don't intend to now unless it's broke. My knives are properly maintained. Why would knife companies want people to take their knives apart and then they will be getting them back dis-assembled for repair?
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  16. Billy The Hungry

    Billy The Hungry

    Aug 11, 2020

    Although infrequent, I do occasionally see a need in taking my folder apart. Usually for a dirty pivot that I just can't get clean.

    I'm not a big Cold Steel fan, but I love how easy their knives are to take apart. They are easy to maintain and keep clean.

    By and large, however, I usually just wash my knife with soap and water, dry it well, and follow up with Rem Oil. 95% of the time that's all that is needed.
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  17. not2sharp

    not2sharp Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 29, 1999
    If you are going to take it down at your base then it shouldn't be hard to keep a few hand tools there to help with that. Usually, you can flush dirt and dust out easily with a lubricant, without disassembly. I am not afraid to take things down, but doing so induces wear and will reduce the life of the tool. Steel screws will quickly reduce titanium or plastic sockets, as would the repeated use and removal of loctite.

    This take down thing has become something of a fetish; what we should be looking for is sturdy enough construction to permit regular use, without having to regularly rebuild the knife. The Buck 110 has been everywhere over the last 50 years in vast numbers and I doubt that many of them have ever been taken apart. If that is becoming a problem for you then it is time to buy a better knife. There are way too many "tactical folders" that are little more than finicky men's jewelry, and those are not the kind of tools that you want to rely on in a harsh environment.

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  18. jp9mm


    Apr 1, 2019
    If they don't want to learn how to turn a screw driver probably not interested in taking knives apart
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  19. jbmonkey

    jbmonkey Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jun 9, 2011

    i live in sandy soil. its on everything. ya can't do any cutting on anything outside without sand getting in the knife. I dont have to take my knives apart to clean them out. those who want to thats fine....but it can be done without disassembly. when all knives were pinned back when cutlers were abound, pre screw together....taking apart was a harder task and most didn't do it and didn't need to do it.

    the crkt tool less take down one I have a couple they are pretty neat design though, even ill admit that, but I dont take them down dont really need to.
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  20. not2sharp

    not2sharp Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 29, 1999
    If you continue to polish and remove materials from the pivot area, to keep it looking shiny, you will eventually change the tolerances and damage the knife. Just lubricate the pivot and work the action and the grime will come out with minimal damage.


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