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Another Paypal Discussion

When people shop in a store, do they consider cash vs. credit card? If you use a credit card the retailer has to pay a similar fee to the credit card company. It is a cost of doing business. Paypal is convenience, with a cost. If a person doesn't like paying the fees they can ask the buyers to send different payment, or they can increase the price to cover the fees and nobody will ever know the difference. So for the previous poster the $450 knife becomes about $462. Would a buyer pass on the purchase for another $12?
When I sell a knife I consider what I paid for it, and what I think the current market value is. Then whatever the sales price I deduct paypal fees and shipping and get to keep whatever is left. I don't do this as a business but as a hobby. Sometime I sell a knife for more than I paid, sometimes I sell a knife for less than I paid. If I was trying to do this to make money, I would do something other than selling knives.
 
korn_2956 said:
You took the grape thing a bit far don't you think, whats wrong with grapes. To anyone who doesn't think they are better then everyone, have a Merry Christmas.
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korn_2956 said:
I knew you were gonna like that. Are you on the phone with PayPal turning him in? Because you were saying that's the right thing to do, right?
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What are you here to prove? I took your failed attempt at an analogy or metaphor and described why it was wrong.

You clearly didn't read what I said. You think you are better than people turning in thieves and liars for breaking rules of a company you use. A company that if used correctly supports the trade of this hobby.

Nice Christmas slight as well! Tis the season I guess. Colors have been shown. Who exactly do you think you are better than?

I love the GB&U. Lets you know who to ignore.
 
craytab said:
What are you here to prove? I took your failed attempt at an analogy or metaphor and described why it was wrong.

You clearly didn't read what I said. You think you are better than people turning in thieves and liars for breaking rules of a company you use. A company that if used correctly supports the trade of this hobby.

Nice Christmas slight as well! Tis the season I guess. Colors have been shown. Who exactly do you think you are better than?

I love the GB&U. Lets you know who to ignore.
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There's no discussion with you, you're a know it all. I stand by everything I said and until you turn in cutup, you are a hypocrite.
 
korn_2956 said:
There's no discussion with you, you're a know it all. I stand by everything I said and until you turn in cutup, you are a hypocrite.
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Sorry to have offended you delicate sensibilities by proving you wrong on multiple levels, so much so you would use inappropriate language, throw out Christmas oriented slights, and now hurling insulting accusations of hypocrisy. The internet must be a tough place for you.

It is now evident that your low reading comprehension in combination with your childish name calling arguments is far below what my time is worth. I'm sure you will respond with some immature insult or what have you. Go for it kid. I won't be reading it. On to the ignore list :D

And like I said, you gotta love the GB&U. Even if folks aren't directly involved in a dispute you can still learn a lot about who exactly you don't ever want to deal with :thumbup:
 
craytab said:
Sorry to have offended you delicate sensibilities by proving you wrong on multiple levels, so much so you would use inappropriate language, throw out Christmas oriented slights, and now hurling insulting accusations of hypocrisy. The internet must be a tough place for you.

It is now evident that your low reading comprehension in combination with your childish name calling arguments is far below what my time is worth. I'm sure you will respond with some immature insult or what have you. Go for it kid. I won't be reading it. On to the ignore list :D

And like I said, you gotta love the GB&U. Even if folks aren't directly involved in a dispute you can still learn a lot about who exactly you don't ever want to deal with [emoji106]
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Wow!! You tell me I'm wrong for not telling on people who "steal" from PayPal, a guy comes on admitting to stealing, and you don't do anything about it, hypocrite. Just like everyone else who said they would, it's just like stealing a candy bar right? Come on guys, do the right thing, call PayPal, or admit it's petty.
 
Stop whining about name calling, all I called you was a self righteous know it all hypocrite, and I don't see anyone saying otherwise.
 
bdmicarta said:
When I sell a knife I consider what I paid for it, and what I think the current market value is. Then whatever the sales price I deduct paypal fees and shipping and get to keep whatever is left. I don't do this as a business but as a hobby. Sometime I sell a knife for more than I paid, sometimes I sell a knife for less than I paid. If I was trying to do this to make money, I would do something other than selling knives.
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This is exactly what I do. This is not an investment for me. It is a hobby. Paypal makes this hobby much more enjoyable through their service. If you use the service, pay the fees you agreed to pay.
 
korn_2956 said:
Yeah I'm guessing that is a grape to PayPal, and when you say "acceptable" you make it sound like I said it was ok, I didn't, the truth is I just don't care. the self-righteousness in this thread is ridiculous.
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So stealing a pair of shoes from Walmart is probably a grape as well? I know you didn't say it was right but the fact you are criticizing folks who would take a stand for honesty and morality is rather confusing. Why not simply remain silent and indifferent? When you mock the people who would condemn theft and dare to do something about it, isn't that just another way of condoning it? That sounds self righteous to me... and a cop out. "I know it's wrong, but I am better than you for turning a blind eye."

It only comes off as self righteous if you are desensitized to it. Theft from big corporations has become acceptable, these days.

And.... I said acceptable not "right/ok". A certain amount of insect matter is acceptable in your cereal, too. I'll still back anyone who complains about a cockroach in their cornflakes.... whether it effects me directly or not.
 
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Rick Marchand said:
So stealing a pair of shoes from Walmart is probably a grape as well? I know you didn't say it was right but the fact you are criticizing folks who would take a stand for honesty and morality is rather confusing. Why not simply remain silent and indifferent? When you mock the people who would condemn theft and dare to do something about it, isn't that just another way of condoning it? That sounds self righteous to me... and a cop out. "I know it's wrong, but I am better than you for turning a blind eye."

It only comes off as self righteous if you are desensitized to it. Theft from big corporations has become acceptable, these days.

And.... I said acceptable not "right/ok". A certain amount of insect matter is acceptable in your cereal, too. I'll still back anyone who complains about a cockroach in their cornflakes.... whether it affects me directly or not.
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Well said Rick.
 
**cutup** said:
ebay is sincerely managed with a non American communist ethical base.

You can buy and sell houses and pornography on ebay, but not butterfly knives, automatic knives, or a variety of gun related parts.

ebay fees have gone from about 1% to 10% over the last 15 years. Higher overhead than a retailer with a string of buildings.

gunbroker fees have gone from 1% to 3% over the last 15 years, guns, autos, and butterfly knives welcome there.

If you wish to honor ebay based on personal ethical conviction that is very respectable. I have no desire to argue about the ethic or motive of such...but I sincerely feel ebay is an anti American communist sort of entity.

I am addicted to trading blades, so I use them...and I do mean use them. Pay a lot of fees, but avoid what I can--not out of selfish monetary addiction--but to beat their BS communist rules as a sort of combative victory hoorah, help legit men in other places enjoy an over governed blade, and fund my addiction.

I am surprised by how much condemnation is shared here re this subject, but I here you and see some legitimacy in it, and it makes me consider my orneriness.
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Well congrats. When you circumvent paying their fees while using their service it's called "stealing". You then become a "thief". If I decide to compare say Wally World to a terrorist organization, that does not give me the right to steal from them. Its not a condemnation of your opinion, it's simply pointing that you're actually committing a crime, no matter how petty you feel it is. BTW I don't want you to feel I am attacking you (as a previous member seemed to think...), but I feel this topic must be looked at logically as opposed to emotionally. Too often our beliefs prevent us from looking at the simple logic inherent in a topic like this. That being said I am always challenged at keeping my natural sarcasm at bay, so my apologies as well.😉
 
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**cutup** said:
ebay is sincerely managed with a non American communist ethical base.

You can buy and sell houses and pornography on ebay, but not butterfly knives, automatic knives, or a variety of gun related parts.

ebay fees have gone from about 1% to 10% over the last 15 years. Higher overhead than a retailer with a string of buildings.

gunbroker fees have gone from 1% to 3% over the last 15 years, guns, autos, and butterfly knives welcome there.

If you wish to honor ebay based on personal ethical conviction that is very respectable. I have no desire to argue about the ethic or motive of such...but I sincerely feel ebay is an anti American communist sort of entity.

I am addicted to trading blades, so I use them...and I do mean use them. Pay a lot of fees, but avoid what I can--not out of selfish monetary addiction--but to beat their BS communist rules as a sort of combative victory hoorah, help legit men in other places enjoy an over governed blade, and fund my addiction.

I am surprised by how much condemnation is shared here re this subject, but I here you and see some legitimacy in it, and it makes me consider my orneriness.
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Communist? You apparently have no idea what the word means. How is a private company deciding what to allow its services to be used for and choosing its own fees communist? Communism is the government owning everything and deciding prices, permissions, etc. PayPal is not owned by the government. Their policies may be dictated by liability lawyers (folks want to sue gun manufacturers and distributors for a criminal's misuse of a gun, after all), and their fees may be driven by greed, but that does not make them communist. It makes them greedy yellow-bellied pansies, but not communists. You still have the option of not using their services.

What they are doing is not illegal, and their fees are market-driven. If they lose business because people don't use them due to the fees, then they will lower them. If competition provides the same or better service with lower fees, then they will lower theirs to remain competitive. Just because you don't like their policies does not justify you defrauding them after entering a legally binding agreement with them, no matter how you try to rationalize your theft.

I will say this: I am grateful you are so upfront about intentionally ignoring agreements you enter into. It helps me know to never do business with you. How do I know you won't treat me the same way?
 
Came upon a for sale thread yesterday.....seller is asking for 4.5% for fees.
Really?
 
palonej said:
Came upon a for sale thread yesterday.....seller is asking for 4.5% for fees.
Really?
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It's never ending, Joe! :rolleyes:

BTW- is this thee "SANCTIMONIOUS" thread, Esav is referring to?

"Look up at the top of this subforum and you will see a sticky: Another PayPal Discussion.
And another series of sanctimonious assaults on each other, who disagree, and must be cast into the outer darkness. So hard to present an opinion without the same old personal attacks..

I think this thread has gone on long enough, contributing nothing not said before, to the last syllable of recorded insult ..."

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X 1000 to that, Esav! :thumbup::thumbup:
 
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Yet, we keep posting ... I get all excited when I see a new reply ... believe me?
 
For those that think that Paypal is a scam and their fees suck, I want to see those people file tax exempt for an entire year at their work place. See how bad ass you are when you disregard those "fees". :)
 
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