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Chris Williams knife tried to rip me off for $5,150
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This evening I received the following emails from someone claiming to be Chris Williams:
I apologize for the wall of text that follows, but this is how it arrived to me. I'm not going to try to edit this for readability.
It was followed by another email:
My response:
Please note, I am making no claims about the accuracy of what he's stated, nor am I taking a position on what's been posted. This is the first I've read this thread, so I haven't seen content posted to it prior to my reply.
I apologize for the wall of text that follows, but this is how it arrived to me. I'm not going to try to edit this for readability.
Again, my apologies for that jumbled mess.
It was followed by another email:
My response:
Please note, I am making no claims about the accuracy of what he's stated, nor am I taking a position on what's been posted. This is the first I've read this thread, so I haven't seen content posted to it prior to my reply.
I left a rather long post about my thoughts on this scoundrel in the thread about him selling knockoff Benchmade folders. It is too long to duplicate and I can't copy paste on my phone but the gist of it is who do we believe...
Damage who is humble, seems honest and admits where he crossed the line. Or Williams who makes a livlihood out of ripping people off?
Damage who is humble, seems honest and admits where he crossed the line. Or Williams who makes a livlihood out of ripping people off?
Instead of CW buying a new Indian motorcycle, the money would have been better spent on psychotherapy. Surely with so much public opinion against him, one might hope that he would begin to realize he needs professional help.
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Amazing. I'm sure he allows his children full, unrestricted access to one of the few places on the web that has revealed his scam. Now, all you meanies better think of the children and stop trashing him for being a con artist, or ELSE! 
If he was just putting decorative handles, on Jantz blanks, he could have just stayed in the archives. I've bought supplies from Jantz, and their quality seems like a good value. CW crossed a big red line, when he had the audacity to clone a famous Benchmade design, and then threaten violence to an unhappy consumer. Instead of rectifying his mistakes, he is starting to bother Spark, and once again shifting the blame onto another person. I really can't believe that he ever graduated any university. If he was educated, he would have been smart enough to make all these problems go away. If he wasn't totally out of line, the judge would not have issued the permanent restraining order. How can he argue about that?
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I never thought of it before, but..that's true. So do we "like" this guy by default? I'm confused..
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I agree. "Making knives" out of blade blanks isn't a lynchable offense. I'm positive there are plenty of people selling knives who do just that, and as this poster mentions, Jantz quality is acceptable and can even be really good if you spend enough on materials. I doubt the majority charge the prices CW does, because they have some decency, but what CW charges and who is willing to pay it is between him and them and there's not much we can do besides inform those who bother to look with a google search.
The knockoff issue and unwillingness to issue refunds is another matter. He's paranoid enough at this point that he probably denies all refunds at first because he assumes people later did the homework on him and feel ripped off- as they should. In his sociopathy, once the con has succeeded- initially, anyone wanting a refund is "breaking the rules of the game". He feels he "got ya fair and square", and you should suck it up and leave him alone. Arguing with him is pointless, he'll never admit he's wrong about anything. The only thing that scares him is losing money and jail time. Only one of those two forces in play ensures, or at least increases the chances of, getting a refund.
So Mr. Williams also has a restraining order against Damage109? LOL.
"after both parties have been granted restraining orders as a means to try and communicate with me"
I wonder if CW was granted his restraining order by the same judge as Damage109?
"after both parties have been granted restraining orders as a means to try and communicate with me"
I wonder if CW was granted his restraining order by the same judge as Damage109?
You have a lot of great points. I'm still thinking that there is one more twist, which is that his sociopathy is kind of a cultural thing. His youtube property sale was 2.5 hours from Murphy Village, John's Island is three hours away, and his name is Welsh/Scottish. I'm guessing that he is a modern generation of the old Scottish, Welsh, Irish Celtic gypsy clans. They don't travel around in horse drawn caravans anymore, and while they love motor homes, many of them work their cons from a fixed location, using modern social media, and having more education than their ancestors. When I was selling on the road, I met one of the guys, and learned a lot about sales. They believe that it is their right to prey on the weaker, and less informed, the justification being that it's for the clans survival, since they are very family oriented. They would never admit wrongdoing, being stubborn as hell, and compulsive liars. They also like to make a lot threats, bullying their way as they see fit. It's in their ancestral DNA, survival instincts from an old world culture. This is just one of my speculations about what motivates CW.
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It's not easy to get a restraining order of any type as you need to prove to the judge without a doubt that you might be harmed. It's extremely difficult to get a permanent restraining order because most anger is emotional/impulsive, most people calm down over time. A restraining order can take away some of your personal freedoms, the 2nd amendment being one of these. Judges always go above and beyond to protect the rights of the person to be restrained because taking rights from an innocent person isn't what this country stands for.
It's is extremely difficult for someone to aquire a permanent restraining order against a stranger who resides half way across the country, this is a rare situation. The judge needs to feel above and beyond without a doubt that this person might actually commit to this type of action. Our judge verbally agreed that the evidence pointed towards this being a strong possibility, his decision making also included what he felt was the need to protect innocent people beyond myself. He has no restraining order against me, I made no threats and I have never threatened or even wished harm against him. I have the truth on my side so there's no need for me to resort to this. If we ever came face to face I would stand to gain nothing from a physical confrontation. If I won I would have damaged hands but if I lose I look like an immature adult incapable of using the law or my brain to solve adult problems. How would this make my life any better?
He says there is paperwork... produce it.
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^ As desperate as Chris Williams is proving himself to be (as evidenced by his email to Spark), I have no doubt that he's already working on fabricating some type bogus paperwork to bolster his claims of having received a protective court order against you. If he does in fact attempt doing this, I hope that you'll be able to get your hands on any potential fraudulent court documents, he may attempt to falsify.
I must say: this is turning out to be one of thee most interesting/fascinating GBU thread's I've had the pleasure of following, during my tenure here. It is my opinion, that Chris Williams, has met his match here!
Keep up the good fight, OP.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke
"I Have Not Yet Begun to Fight" John Paul Jones
^ As desperate as Chris Williams is proving himself to be (as evidenced by his email to Spark), I have no doubt that he's already working on fabricating some type bogus paperwork to bolster his claims of having received a protective court order against you. If he does in fact attempt doing this, I hope that you'll be able to get your hands on any potential fraudulent court documents, he may attempt to falsify.
I must say: this is turning out to be one of thee most interesting/fascinating GBU thread's I've had the pleasure of following, during my tenure here. It is my opinion, that Chris Williams, has met his match here!
Keep up the good fight, OP.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke
"I Have Not Yet Begun to Fight" John Paul Jones
All he did was verify my story, you can see lies in his email and he provided no proof of anything, provide that order to spark at the very least, prove to someone, anyone that those allegations hold any weight. There's nothing to validate those words. Words without evidence are just empty words. Any restraining order against me would require my signature.
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Damage,
It appears that he is as unstable or possible worse than the previous thread here noted when he was exposed for putting handles on pre-made knives & Kitchen tools and calling them Hand made and designed by himself! Chris Williams of CWK's Not CW of Wilmont grinders whom is a knife maker whom grinds his own blades!
Thanks for adding the clarity of the Chris Williams in question!
I've read this entire thread and I don't remember you listing CWK's address or any other info that isn't on his Website!
He contacted me about the last thread when it was live a few years back and asked me what to do?
I suggested that he stop threatening people and be transparent about his knife making process! That's all the rest of us in the knife making community want! I told him there are plenty of guys that just put handles on pre-made blades!
He said he didn't want anybody knowing anything about his knife process, the language he used wasn't quite that clean!
I told him that he was going to have problems
When I started making knives These "Hobbyists" would look people in the eye and say, Well i don't grind the blade, But you can pick the knife you want and the kind of handle you like, and I will build it for you!
They also didn't charge 10-20 times cost!