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When the Israeli's talk about "The Holocaust" I always want to ask "which one?".
I believe what the Nazi's did to the Jews was every bit as bad as they claim it was.
I also believe the Israeli's are pushing the envelope in their overeaction to the intifada. Think what it must take to bring someone to the point he'll blow himself up to take half a dozen of the enemy with him.
Think also of what the Russians did to the Polish Officer corps at the Katyn forest. What the Turks did to the Armenians. Why one priest proclaimed "There are no devils left in hell, they are all in Rwanda!". The piles of skulls left by the Khans. It's more often than not been the usual experience to know an older relative who's barely escaped the most recent slaughter if not having experienced it yourself. The Sikh's killed by Muslims with the partition of India and Pakistan. Pol Pot for another.
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What saddens me is I have a cousin ten years older than me who became a teacher and out of a desire to help, taught at Stewart Indian School until it was closed down. I imagine she did some good, and treated her pupils well. But she participated in the end of the "Generation of Lost Children".
Children taken from their homes and shipped hundreds of miles to be brought up in a white environment. Not allowed to grow up being taught by the elders ( grandparents ) and parents the traditional ways. The teachers on the reservations now who are retireing are those who were brought up in the Indian Boarding Schools like Stewart and were deprived of their heritage. The new teachers coming up for the last several years are the children of the lost generations. And the elders they were separated from died off without having the chance to pass along their wisdom. And even more, their traditions, religion, and IDENTITY.
You want to know why there's so many drunken indians? The Mandan substance abuse counselor I shared an office with on the res said it's because selling booze to indians was illegal for so many years that when they did get booze, they passed it around and got crocked real quickly before anyone could take it away. And that got to be the way indians drank - get it drunk down fast, before it was taken away. And by the time selling to indians was legal, that type of drinking was habitual among the people and continued.
I worked on the res for 5 years. I don't claim to begin to know half of what I could have learned from the experience. But I can tell you that they got and still get the short end of the stick. That's why so much emphasis on "Pride", cause they ain't got much else to get them through.
Sorry for spouting off, Yvsa. What I see as problems out here may not be the same as exist back there where you live.
I believe what the Nazi's did to the Jews was every bit as bad as they claim it was.
I also believe the Israeli's are pushing the envelope in their overeaction to the intifada. Think what it must take to bring someone to the point he'll blow himself up to take half a dozen of the enemy with him.
Think also of what the Russians did to the Polish Officer corps at the Katyn forest. What the Turks did to the Armenians. Why one priest proclaimed "There are no devils left in hell, they are all in Rwanda!". The piles of skulls left by the Khans. It's more often than not been the usual experience to know an older relative who's barely escaped the most recent slaughter if not having experienced it yourself. The Sikh's killed by Muslims with the partition of India and Pakistan. Pol Pot for another.
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What saddens me is I have a cousin ten years older than me who became a teacher and out of a desire to help, taught at Stewart Indian School until it was closed down. I imagine she did some good, and treated her pupils well. But she participated in the end of the "Generation of Lost Children".
Children taken from their homes and shipped hundreds of miles to be brought up in a white environment. Not allowed to grow up being taught by the elders ( grandparents ) and parents the traditional ways. The teachers on the reservations now who are retireing are those who were brought up in the Indian Boarding Schools like Stewart and were deprived of their heritage. The new teachers coming up for the last several years are the children of the lost generations. And the elders they were separated from died off without having the chance to pass along their wisdom. And even more, their traditions, religion, and IDENTITY.
You want to know why there's so many drunken indians? The Mandan substance abuse counselor I shared an office with on the res said it's because selling booze to indians was illegal for so many years that when they did get booze, they passed it around and got crocked real quickly before anyone could take it away. And that got to be the way indians drank - get it drunk down fast, before it was taken away. And by the time selling to indians was legal, that type of drinking was habitual among the people and continued.
I worked on the res for 5 years. I don't claim to begin to know half of what I could have learned from the experience. But I can tell you that they got and still get the short end of the stick. That's why so much emphasis on "Pride", cause they ain't got much else to get them through.
Sorry for spouting off, Yvsa. What I see as problems out here may not be the same as exist back there where you live.