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donn said:
Jolipapa may I extend my thoughts and prayers to my French cousins across the channel in light of the destruction of your beautiful cathedral. :(
From what I've seen today it looks hopeful though that many of her treasures have escaped mostly unscathed.

I was looking at pictures of the stunning rose windows in Notre Dame and it bought to mind this:

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The picture is the 'Rose Window' in the south transept of York Minster and it dates from circa 1500 and, like Notre Dame's stained glass is one of the historical treasures of western civilization.
In 1984 the south transept was struck by lightening which quickly started a fire that threatened to engulf the building. The building had no fire suppression system and the fire fighters faced the same difficulties with access that it appears the Parisian firefighters experienced at Notre Dame.
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The vaulted ceiling you see in the first picture was completely destroyed, the lead in the window melted and some of the glass cracked. And yet what you see in that picture is what the window was restored back to. If you stand today in the south transept of York Minster you wouldn't even know a fire had taken place. It took 4 years and (in 1980's money) £2.25 million to restore but the restoration was a true to the original medieval work in every detail.
Obviously the damage to Notre Dame is far far more extensive, but when I see what of Notre Dame has been saved and then look at what was achieved with the restoration of the south transept of York Minster I can't help thinking that your beautiful cathedral can be restored to it's former glory. It's just going to take a very long time.

All the best.
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You're totally right.
According to specialists architects, the first thing to do is to prevent losses by water now, which can be as dangerous as fire. Then, when it is definitely sure the remnants are strong enough, true work can begin. It will take at least one year before actually starting anything. Then a few more years again for the job to be done.
Rheims cathedral (where all the French kings were crowned since Clovis) received heavy shells in 1914 that lit a fire who lasted several days and WWI saw a near total destruction. Rebuilding started 1919. There's still some work in progress as of today... But seemingly damages on ND are mainly on the ceiling and the roof, like in York.
It is important to know that at the end of XIXth century, ND was saved from total dereliction thanks to Victor Hugo, the spire who was missing was rebuilt by Viollet-Le-Duc. There are many craftsmen in France and Europe who will help restore it as original. For once, money should not be a problem.
I have a friend now retired who worked on the St Jacques de la Boucherie tower as stonecutter. They made a wonderful job replacing stones one by one!
 
Jolipapa said:
You're totally right.
According to specialists architects, the first thing to do is to prevent losses by water now, which can be as dangerous as fire. Then, when it is definitely sure the remnants are strong enough, true work can begin. It will take at least one year before actually starting anything. Then a few more years again for the job to be done.
Rheims cathedral (where all the French kings were crowned since Clovis) received heavy shells in 1914 that lit a fire who lasted several days and WWI saw a near total destruction. Rebuilding started 1919. There's still some work in progress as of today... But seemingly damages on ND are mainly on the ceiling and the roof, like in York.
It is important to know that at the end of XIXth century, ND was saved from total dereliction thanks to Victor Hugo, the spire who was missing was rebuilt by Viollet-Le-Duc. There are many craftsmen in France and Europe who will help restore it as original. For once, money should not be a problem.
I have a friend now retired who worked on the St Jacques de la Boucherie tower as stonecutter. They made a wonderful job replacing stones one by one!
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That is encouraging news. :thumbsup:
 
Jolipapa said:
You're totally right.
According to specialists architects, the first thing to do is to prevent losses by water now, which can be as dangerous as fire. Then, when it is definitely sure the remnants are strong enough, true work can begin. It will take at least one year before actually starting anything. Then a few more years again for the job to be done.
Rheims cathedral (where all the French kings were crowned since Clovis) received heavy shells in 1914 that lit a fire who lasted several days and WWI saw a near total destruction. Rebuilding started 1919. There's still some work in progress as of today... But seemingly damages on ND are mainly on the ceiling and the roof, like in York.
It is important to know that at the end of XIXth century, ND was saved from total dereliction thanks to Victor Hugo, the spire who was missing was rebuilt by Viollet-Le-Duc. There are many craftsmen in France and Europe who will help restore it as original. For once, money should not be a problem.
I have a friend now retired who worked on the St Jacques de la Boucherie tower as stonecutter. They made a wonderful job replacing stones one by one!
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Thanks for posting that Jolipapa it's really interesting. Our media actually mentioned Rheims cathedral, and how it had been rebuilt, but they didn't mention Rheims it was an ongoing process.
Your right about the craftsmen; certainly British craftsmen and women are lining up to help. Historic England, the organization that cares for our historic buildings has already offered any help and expertise it can, but of course France and Britain are not the only countries that possess the knowledge and skills for this task.
It's going to be a prolonged task to be sure. I hope the surveys deliver good news, especially regarding the vaulted ceiling.
 
Hey guys and gals I haven't been spending much time at all here on the Porch the last couple of weeks but I bought a new toy that led to another and then another:eek::eek:
I decided I'd like to have a little home audio recording "studio" for lack of a better word it's far from a studio. Anyway I started looking for a small digital 8 track workstation knowing I had plenty of everything else I would need in all that PA gear I have stored so I settled on one and bought it. :rolleyes:
A 600 sqft apartment doesn't accommodate rack mounted gear and Yamaha 12" wedge monitors so new monitors, new power amp and since I had gone that far new headphones, new cables and so on. I've had the new recorder a few days and the rest of it should be here by the weekend
I'll post pictures when it's up and running but first I need to post pictures of several knives on the exchange. :eek::eek::D
 
donn said:
Thanks for posting that Jolipapa it's really interesting. Our media actually mentioned Rheims cathedral, and how it had been rebuilt, but they didn't mention Rheims it was an ongoing process.
Your right about the craftsmen; certainly British craftsmen and women are lining up to help. Historic England, the organization that cares for our historic buildings has already offered any help and expertise it can, but of course France and Britain are not the only countries that possess the knowledge and skills for this task.
It's going to be a prolonged task to be sure. I hope the surveys deliver good news, especially regarding the vaulted ceiling.
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The job for the Rheims cathedral is mostly on statues, it is estimated #99% of the work has been done.
Politics have started to interfere and it is intended to have the job done in 5 years, which is (to say the least) an heresy! Let's hope common sense will prevail.
Except in old Europe, there are not so many craftsmen (they have difficulties to recruit) able to tackle the job. Some years ago in Hong Kong they had to ask French Compagnons when they wanted to rebuild traditional houses because they had completely lost the know-how.
 
Got a call early this morning and my granddaughter Kelsey was 6 months pregnant started hemorrhaging and lost the baby and is very sick they believe Kelsey will be okay she is stable but she is all to pieces emotionally. A very hard time for my family would appreciate your thoughts and prayers for my granddaughter. I'm stuck here and getting info over the phone not being able to drive is tough during something like this. Sorry to unload this here but I had to tell someone and so many of you are like an extended family to me I thought it would be okay.
 
r redden said:
Got a call early this morning and my granddaughter Kelsey was 6 months pregnant started hemorrhaging and lost the baby and is very sick they believe Kelsey will be okay she is stable but she is all to pieces emotionally. A very hard time for my family would appreciate your thoughts and prayers for my granddaughter. I'm stuck here and getting info over the phone not being able to drive is tough during something like this. Sorry to unload this here but I had to tell someone and so many of you are like an extended family to me I thought it would be okay.
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Distressing news, Randy. Praying for her and the family.
 
r redden said:
Got a call early this morning and my granddaughter Kelsey was 6 months pregnant started hemorrhaging and lost the baby and is very sick they believe Kelsey will be okay she is stable but she is all to pieces emotionally. A very hard time for my family would appreciate your thoughts and prayers for my granddaughter. I'm stuck here and getting info over the phone not being able to drive is tough during something like this. Sorry to unload this here but I had to tell someone and so many of you are like an extended family to me I thought it would be okay.
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Praying for Kelsey, and for her family, Randy.
 
My prayers and best wishes for your granddaughter and your family, Randy.
 
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r redden said:
Got a call early this morning and my granddaughter Kelsey was 6 months pregnant started hemorrhaging and lost the baby and is very sick they believe Kelsey will be okay she is stable but she is all to pieces emotionally. A very hard time for my family would appreciate your thoughts and prayers for my granddaughter. I'm stuck here and getting info over the phone not being able to drive is tough during something like this. Sorry to unload this here but I had to tell someone and so many of you are like an extended family to me I thought it would be okay.
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My condolences and best wishes for your family, Randy.
 
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