Creationish Vs Evolutionism? BE POLITE!

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What do you believe? (private)

  1. Biblical Creationism (please explain)

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  2. Christian Evolution (please explain)

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  3. Non Christian Creation (please explain)

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  4. Non Christian Evolution (please explain)

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  5. Non Christian Science (please explain)

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  6. Christian Science (please explain)

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  7. inexplicable (creation cannot be explained through current science or religion))

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  8. Other. Please explain in your post! :)

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  1. CUTS LIKE A KRIS

    CUTS LIKE A KRIS

    Sep 28, 2005
    In all of my time associated in the sciences, I have only heard this term from creationists, and never until after my degree in biology.

    Seeds start out more simple then get complex, then form simple seeds again.

    Atheist and scientifically trained, so firmly within the evolution camp (antibiotic resistance prooves evolution as poison is no longer effective against entire populations). As per my training I discount micro-evolution as a term, just as I discount ladybug as a term, or worse yet 'germ'.They are used to describe something that they are not (a subset of evolution, calling a beetle [Coleoptera] a bug [Hemiptera], and whatever microorganisms one puts into the GERM category).

    However I always try to impress that evolutionary principles are not against religion. They just state that organisms change over time. Individuals try to put further reasoning behind it, not the theory; and that evolutionary theories aren't concerned with creation of life, it is just the process of proceeding with life throughout time.

    That being said I am very glad to read this thread as it is the most level headed and respectful discourse I have ever read, which can be difficult when discussing 'belief' as ones belief is never seen as wrong. Thank you to all.

    One aspect from the beginning that I saw that was not addressed was moving toward order/disorder. Nature works in both ways. Taking in disorder to form order (the organism), and disseminating that order upon decomposition. Life is cyclical, ebbing and flowing.

    Religion answers questions that I have never needed to ask, and I have always found too many holes in religous thought. I dont need the hope of seeing family members, dont need to think there is more than this, and cant fathom a cruel god as most are portrayed. Religous elders could not conceive some of my questions to begin answering me, and as a result religion has not played a part in my life in decades. I enjoy these conversations because I cannot fathom belief in a dirty, so it is nice to try and understand how many of you do. Nobody is going to change minds, but I like seeing how personal thought processes work. I can try and understand how your belief is as true to you as my disbelief is to me. Now if only I could fathom how your god is real and Zeus, Gilgamesh or Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't and I might start to understand the other side. But I doubt it.....
     
  2. GWashington1732

    GWashington1732 Basic Member Basic Member

    Jun 20, 2009
    I study ecology and I have never once heard of those terms until now.
     
  3. Raymond1000

    Raymond1000

    Oct 8, 2006
    I don’t believe the standard model of evolution adequately explains speciation. So what? Using this talking point to challenge all of evolution is as silly as saying, “Since my fuel injector doesn’t work, there is no such thing as a car.”

    It would be nice if the deeply religious had a better than comic book level understanding of science.

    It would improve the conversation if the science types had a better than comic book level understanding of religion.
     
  4. liamstrain

    liamstrain Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 16, 2013
  5. sintro

    sintro

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    Mar 5, 2012
    Just finished up my Genetics unit last thursday in my Honors Biology. My teacher told me in the beginning of the unit about how a mutation in the liver of floridian(just southern usa) crocodiles or alligatosr(can't remember which) causes them to retain more water, basically just making it more efficient. And this was somewhat recent, they only discovered it in the early 2000's to be happening.
     
  6. GWashington1732

    GWashington1732 Basic Member Basic Member

    Jun 20, 2009
    I don't know of this specific topic so I could be wrong, but I would guess alligators. American Crocodiles are an endangered species in Florida, probably less than 500 only in the southern tip of Florida.
     
  7. HardTripper

    HardTripper

    Dec 13, 2010
    Super anti-religion over here, in all forms, including Atheism. The only truth is quantum mechanics, all else is laughable.
     
  8. liamstrain

    liamstrain Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 16, 2013
    Well, we can have another discussion about atheism as a religion (not collecting stamps, is not a hobby). But how does quantum mechanics deal with evolution? (I can see the application re: origin of the universe, certainly).
     
  9. Morrow

    Morrow Don't make this weird

    Apr 11, 2007
    Prove it.
     
  10. sideways

    sideways

    Feb 19, 2013
    Atheism is not a religion. it is the lack of belief in any gods.
     
  11. Morrow

    Morrow Don't make this weird

    Apr 11, 2007
    He's not here for discussion...only to throw a wrench in the gears.
     
  12. stabman

    stabman Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 17, 2007
    Well, it's more the belief that there are no gods.

    I go for good old fashioned agnosticism. I just happily go about with an utter lack of belief:

    "Do you believe in God?" No.
    "Do you believe there is no God?" No.

    Proudly stand tall and shout "I don't know!!!" to the heavens. :)
     
  13. bigbcustom

    bigbcustom

    Dec 20, 2005
    I could literally write a disertation on my thought/research/beliefs in this area. I believe in God and Jesus Christ our savior. I believe in creation through evolution. I don't believe in organized religion (at least any that I have so far tried). I think God created the universe, gave it a set of instructions for existance, and then backed off to let it run it's course with maybe an occassional nudge now and again. I think homo sapiens came about through one of those nudges, either directly from God, or through use of a surrogate.
     
  14. RetiredGuns

    RetiredGuns

    Mar 13, 2009
    Is there such thing as an Atheist? You might choose to believe there is no God but unless you possess the power to search every square inch of existence then there certainly is no proof. :D
     
  15. sideways

    sideways

    Feb 19, 2013
    That is up for interpretation. To my eyes atheism is the absence of belief. Subtle difference I know, but to say "atheists believe there is no god" sounds an awful lot like god is a foregone conclusion, and that shifts the burden of proof unduly. :)
     
  16. RetiredGuns

    RetiredGuns

    Mar 13, 2009
    OK Sheldon
     
  17. Klok

    Klok

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    Nov 26, 2010
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  18. Dan57

    Dan57

    Apr 8, 2012
    You could say the same for unicorns. Or anything else.
    That argument is antiquated.

    Yup.
     
  19. sintro

    sintro

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    Mar 5, 2012
    It really hurts my brain trying to think about what came first, and if so...what came before that?
     
  20. Klok

    Klok

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    Nov 26, 2010
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