One observation I see with China knives is companies like Kizer,We,Artisian to name a few,come out with model after model,with many that are getting a bit outlandish,with carved up holes in the blades,over the top designs,in some cases,and really wacky blade shapes,too.Someone on these forums said these knives have no soul; I think hes right; just pumping out every kooky and crazy design they can come up with,then they fade away as fast as they appear,ending up like yesterdays news,if you will.I don't see timeless designs by them that stick around or improve apon, like the spyderco military,or endura for example;cant think of any knives from China that were designed 3 years ago which are still around today,and have the following like many spyderco,benchmade or ZT models....