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Is Axis lock and G-lock same thing?

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Leo3an, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. Leo3an

    Leo3an

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    Dec 21, 2017
    whats with the hostility telling me to learn better or get out?

    Im trying to report Ganzo to Amazon to stop if they are selling on Amazon illegally. And to do that I need to know more than just “i hate Chinamen”.

    My question was “are they doing anything illegal”.. just because im not being a racist, yelling “them chinamen are cheaters”, doesnt mean im supporting them. Im actually trying to do somthing about it since I have contacts and knowhow in Amazon as a brand seller.
     
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  2. Wilsonhome

    Wilsonhome Professional Chupacabra Tamer Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2014
    If you want to report them, I suspect the patent is still in force, so please do. In fact, I believe they are infringing on the spydie hole as well, although that is not a utility patent. Does Ganzo directly sell on Amazon? I don’t think they do and, if not, wouldn’t the big river just have to play whack a mole with all the various resellers? Not sure that will rise to priority level for them.

    The question of whether the patent is still in force sometimes causes ire on the site as it has been brought up many, many times in the past by people wanting to somehow justify that ganzo did no wrong by ripping off the designs of others. The general view of the forum (and mine) is strongly anti clone/anti IP theft.
     
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  3. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    So do you buy ganzo products? Notice those who do are where my comments are directed.

    You came here to find out if ganzo is doing anything illegal. You need to do enough research to understand that US patent law isn't exactly enforceable in china. Further, you need to do enough research to realize the axis lock patent experation is far more complicated than a simple Google search.

    By all means, try to shut who ever is selling these down. But please do some research first. It won't help going at this half assed. This has been covered in depth here many times. Do a search. Filter by my username. You'll find far more than you want.
     
  4. Leo3an

    Leo3an

    183
    Dec 21, 2017
    If Spydie hole is not a utility patent, Amazon will not care. Design patents are too malleable.

    Ganzo does sell on Amazon directly. They also seem to have EBC (enhanced brand content), which means they actually may have provided all legal documents to Amazon for EBC. That was the only way, as far as I know.

    Whack a mole with various resellers will not happen if it is indeed illegal. They pull SKU and ASIN, meaning no one would be allowed to sell their models.

    I do not want to report saying “maybe they are infringing patent rights, im not sure..” because it will be ignored.

    Btw... in this community, whenever talking about Chinese brands.. i have to somehow bash Chinese people saying they are lying, cheating monsters when talking about Chinese knives, or I come off as a communist supporter of red China for some reason. When all im doing is asking a question to see if I can report to Amazon with some backing.
     
  5. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    And no one is saying those awful things until you brought them up. The hyperbole is not needed in a serious discussion among adults.
     
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  6. Leo3an

    Leo3an

    183
    Dec 21, 2017
    No. I have not bought any Ganzo knives. And I dont care what China does in China. It cant be enforced in China, that is fine. But Amazon is not a Chinese company.

    Amazon does not allow a company to sell a counterfeit product. Yes counterfeits are sold, but they are doing it without letting Amazon know it is a counterfiet. Amazon does not open up individual packages to check if they are counterfeits.

    Btw.. please note i did not write “No! i have NEVER and never will buy Chinese junk made by sick communist bastards”. I just wrote “i have not bought any Ganzo knives”. It does not mean I support Chinese brands or infringing patents. It is the opposite.
     
  7. Wilsonhome

    Wilsonhome Professional Chupacabra Tamer Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2014
    The spydie hole is trademarked.

    On you last comment, there are several threads on innovative Chinese companies and bashing of Chinese people is frowned on pretty strongly by the mods, just like any bigotry. I have seen a number of people infracted for it, so will have to disagree with your comment.

    With that, I am just going to step out of the rest of this conversation since it seems to be going in a weird direction.
     
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  8. Leo3an

    Leo3an

    183
    Dec 21, 2017
    Im out too. Sorry. I started the thread to talk just about Ganzo lock and Axis lock.

    Not about China.. or how bad Amazon or Ebay (never used it to know).. or whatever people hate. I just wanted some info.

    Sorry for the thread. Wish i can close it. My apologies for bring it up.
     
  9. gadgetgeek

    gadgetgeek

    May 19, 2007
    There are several compounding levels of grey-ness that go on. First you have the axis lock (which we will know is out of patent about 10 minutes after it expires when everyone and their dog releases a knife with it) then you have direct design copies of other knives (rat 1 and paramilitary/delica) with that lock. And you have the unauthorized use of the spydie-hole. Try to get any enforcement on any of those. Good luck.

    You will have to forgive some of the flak you caught @Leo3an , as I'm not kidding this horse has been beaten so long there is pit where it used to be, and there wouldn't be enough bits left to find by a TV CSI team. Almost every person who's raised it as a question has come at it from the point of view of "well, if its not technically illegal, why shouldn't I buy them. Not saying that's you, but the song sounds very familiar. Its been going on for YEARS.
     
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  10. Hackenslash

    Hackenslash Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jul 25, 2014
    Yes please. Please inform Amazon that vendors of Ganzo knives are violating a lawful Trademark of a US based company. Please post again when you can let us know how that went for you.

    Thanks for being part of the solution.

    PS: the only person inferring racial bashing in this thread has been you. That's a slippery slope if you hope to be around to update us on your claim to Amazon...here's hoping for the best!
     
  11. billym

    billym

    Jan 8, 2006
    "also Dude, Chinaman is not the preffered nomenclature; Asian American please.." Walter Sobchak
     
  12. Sosa

    Sosa

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chinaman is the same as Englishman, Frenchman etc.
     
  13. microtech85

    microtech85

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    Dec 1, 2015
    I could be wrong, but i think he may be right about benchmade axis lock patent expiring and now being public domain. Here is a link to benchmade's website with their listed patents and i do not see the standard axis lock on there anymore. I do see the axis assist. I have no interest in buying ganzo, and i would still recommend not buying since they were in fact knocking off benchmade when they certainly had the patent.

    http://www.benchmade.com/patents
     
  14. NorthernSouthpaw

    NorthernSouthpaw

    Feb 27, 2014
    Benchmade does not hold the patent for the Axis Lock. It's held by McHenry & Williams. The locks inventors.
     
  15. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    Excellent point. Clearly explains why benchmade would not and can not claim it on their website. Also might explain why they will not discuss the patent: it is not theirs to discuss.
     
  16. Planterz

    Planterz Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 26, 2004
    Hm, seems like I remember somebody already saying that, but apparently it needed to be said again.;)
     
  17. LastRodeo

    LastRodeo Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Nov 2, 2013
    I did a quick check of one of the patents Benchmade has listed and they are not the patent holder, so your presumption is wrong.
     
  18. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    Or it could be right and they just happen to not list it. A bit odd folks are putting so much weight into voluntary list on a corporate website that may or may not be accurate.
     
  19. LastRodeo

    LastRodeo Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Nov 2, 2013
    So which statement are you now staying with?
    It “clearly explains why they would not and can not list it on their website”
    or “they just happen not to list it”?
     
  20. Planterz

    Planterz Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 26, 2004
    Benchmade DOES NOT HOLD THE PATENT!

    Jeez!
     

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