I wasn't saying that miller 3v was better....jeeze....all I was stating was it seems they did something right with it. I've tried INFI on much thinner steel and my pics in another thread show the damage. Yes it's fixable damage, but I would love a TGLB in 3v to try the same dest. test and compare. Anyone else see the Monkey Edge vids of the Strider DB in 3v .190 stock? I love INFI....and I have a quality embedded in my lifestyle that has me always striving for better. I am willing to bet mucho casho that Jerry B. himself has a similar attitude. If he didn't, INFI would never be alive today. Just my HAO....bash away guys.