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OBM, diktator, Oregon blade maker, origin blade maker... etc...

Discussion in 'Shop Talk - BladeSmith Questions and Answers' started by Drew Riley, Nov 29, 2020.

  1. Outdoor Gear Dad

    Outdoor Gear Dad Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 1, 2019
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    So is OBM and Diktator the same company?
     
  2. Drew Riley

    Drew Riley Riley Knife and Tool Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 17, 2007
    Yes.
     
  3. weo

    weo KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Sep 21, 2014
    IMO, the problem(?) here, is that this just the nature/reality of the world we live in. Not everybody agrees on what is "right" behavior.
    If I can be bold enough to offer a solution, it would be to not get too worked up over things beyond your control, and always remember, it won't last forever.
     
  4. Thom Moss

    Thom Moss

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    Jan 8, 2019
    I think what will win here is the precision and customer service Northridge provides. Yes it’s a cheap copy, uses cheaper wheels/bearings from China vs Northridge which makes their own. So I will pay a little more for that piece of mind and an American made product instead of a stolen design copy made in China. I do like the shock they use on the Diktator , (the only part made in American on it) versus the coil spring on the Northridge.
    (I have a regular Northridge and plan on a mod-e once he has them in stock again).
     
  5. Natlek

    Natlek

    Jun 9, 2015
    I understand what are you saying Drew :thumbsup: That is the world we are live in this days...What I don t is why they do exact copy ??? Is that hard to design grinder or what ?
     
  6. bmilleker

    bmilleker Gold Member Gold Member

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    Nov 26, 2012
    Does Northridge provide great customer service? I just tried purchasing a pro package from them and they told me to kick rocks because I live in Canada. They didn't want to deal with shipping the grinder across the border and dealing with customs. Direct quotes from them:

    "No we just don't like CA customs they like giving every one a hard time when the dollar value is high."
    "No sorry check up there I heard there are some new grinder manufacturers."

    Personally, after having service like that, I am glad I am kicking rocks and didn't spend $5KCAD+ on their 2x72.

    Regardless, they make a great looking grinder, but their customer service, for me, wasn't there.
     
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  7. weo

    weo KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Sep 21, 2014
    That's funny, because that's one the things I'm planning on changing, swapping the shock with a spring.
     
  8. Drew Riley

    Drew Riley Riley Knife and Tool Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 17, 2007
    I’m shocked... :D
     
  9. Outdoor Gear Dad

    Outdoor Gear Dad Gold Member Gold Member

    174
    Jun 1, 2019
    Ive always had great service from OBM. They answer all my questions in a timely manner and have always helped me out. Then again both their grinders are the only two I have owned so I dont have anything to compare it too.
     
  10. DanF

    DanF KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

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    Apr 17, 2017
    If the belt grinder manufacturing industry was the music industry it would have all been over long ago. But, there’s real money to be had in that industry.
     
  11. Outdoor Gear Dad

    Outdoor Gear Dad Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 1, 2019
    Just a couple clarifying points here that I just learned. They changed their name from Oregon to Origin when they started making knives in order to not compete with Blount's "Oregon" brand, since their trademark covers everything from chainsaws to pocket knives...OBM is just easier than writing out Origin Blade Maker.

    Also Diktator is NOT the same company as OBM. OBM sells parts to Diktator.

    Also OBMs grinder was released in 2014. Not sure when Northridge tools released theirs but everything I see online shows 2016, including their first Instagram post which was made in 2016.

    We cant always believe something just because someone tells us its truth. There are two sides to every story.

    Just my opinion and my research as I try to educate myself on the companies I support.
     
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  12. N.W. Gean

    N.W. Gean KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

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    Oct 10, 2018
    What's alarming to me about OBM and Diktator is that the text on their websites is almost verbatim. Now that doesn't mean they're the same company, but someone is copying someone there.

    Stealing is wrong.
     
  13. Outdoor Gear Dad

    Outdoor Gear Dad Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 1, 2019
    Im also curious what people are seeing as a copy from housemade.us
     
  14. weo

    weo KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Sep 21, 2014
    Pun intended????;)
     
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  15. Drew Riley

    Drew Riley Riley Knife and Tool Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 17, 2007
    the diktator “bandit” kit grinder.
     
  16. Drew Riley

    Drew Riley Riley Knife and Tool Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 17, 2007
    Look up the trademark filing:
    https://uspto.report/company/Obm-Engineering-Inc

    They’re all filed under the parent company OBM Enginnering Inc.

    They may be different brands, but they’re the same company as far as I can see.
     
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  17. Drew Riley

    Drew Riley Riley Knife and Tool Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 17, 2007
    BTW, OBM might have released their first grinder back then, but the Mod-E is a different and much newer design. The “diktator” brand has it listed as the mini diktator. They were not making this model in ‘14. I’m not talking about their first grinder, which as far as I can tell was an original OBM design.
     
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  18. Outdoor Gear Dad

    Outdoor Gear Dad Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 1, 2019
    Gotcha, didn’t look at that. I bet ya though if you asked OBM, they would tell you a completely different side of the story.

    At the end of the day having a choice is good, and trying to figure out who copied who can get exhausting.....they both make quality products here in America that as we can see are very similar.

    ya probably won’t go wrong with either one.
     
  19. AVigil

    AVigil Adam Vigil knifemaker working the grind Platinum Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    Well one of the reasons all these grinder companies can not go after each other for their designs is because they were not the original ones to come up with them for the most part.

    Stephen Bader has been making grinders for over 50 years and originated many design aspect in belt grinders including the "endless belt".
     
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  20. E.Carlson

    E.Carlson KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

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    Mar 28, 2016
    Was having beers and cigars with a buddy the other night, it started raining so we were in the shop. He was looking really hard at my Esteem (very similar to a Bader) and he gets all excited. Dude we could start making these! We'd make a killing!
    Yeah dude, you and everyone one else. There's a new grinder company every time I turn around. Can't even keep track anymore.
     
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