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Spyderco Paysan - lock slip?

Discussion in 'Spyderco' started by razor-edge-knives, May 23, 2019.

  1. Alberta Hunter

    Alberta Hunter

    138
    Apr 29, 2018
    They sent him a replacement that's even worse than the one he sent in due to defect!

    The issues with the Paysan are not limited to this Customer. There have been many who have locks that
    are sub par and quite possibly dangerous. It's easy to criticize someone when it's not your money or frustration at stake.
     
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  2. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    According to the complainant, who sounds like someone who just cannot be satisfied. Have you seen/held the knife in question? No one here has. So, there's no way to verify the complaint. If the 2nd one was "worse" than the 1st one, he should have just returned it to Spyderco and asked for an account credit instead of saying that he's going to trash the knife and then expect Spyderco to give him another one for free after he's ruined it.

    That's ridiculous!

    I bought one and it wasn't THAT bad.

    As I said in my post/review of the Paysan, there is NO lock-stick in the "classic" sense and I saw no possibility of any lock slip. I traded mine for a Kershaw Tilt, which I liked better, but there was nothing WRONG w/the Paysan that I purchased. I also own a Tropen and an Ikuchi that people like to complain about as well and I don't think there's anything WRONG w/those knives either.

    But, if you don't like these knives, just don't buy them (or sell them to someone else who will appreciate them). Problem solved.
     
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  3. Alberta Hunter

    Alberta Hunter

    138
    Apr 29, 2018
    Obviously I did not handle the knife in question- and neither did you. I'm not going to call someone
    a liar and I'm going to take them at their word until proven otherwise.

    So, since you received one that "wasn't THAT bad" then to you that means that anyone claiming they
    received one that performs worse or is defective is a liar? Maybe go to youtube and search:"Spyderco Paysan Lock Rock" and you will see that not everyone is lying about this. Or maybe you think that anyone who complains about a lock that doesn't lock is just a Whiner who should shut up and just be thankful that Spyderco makes knives at all...
     
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  4. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    Don't be ridiculous.

    Spyderco addressed the customer's complaint by issuing him a new knife. What more do you expect them to do? If he didn't like the replacement, he should have just returned that too.

    He's entitled to complain about a "bad" product experience but he did just end up whining about it and he gets no sympathy from me.

    End of conversation on my part. Go ahead, rant on.
     
  5. Alberta Hunter

    Alberta Hunter

    138
    Apr 29, 2018
    Rant on? You are the one calling people all sorts of disrespectful names and making claims
    about individuals and their knives that you know nothing about. Btw, I don't really think he
    was looking for your sympathy- I think he just wanted a knife that functions as it is supposed
    to. But glad to see that you hold yourself in such high acclaim.
     
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  6. ReignChaser

    ReignChaser

    7
    May 26, 2019
    But then continued to tell us he'll turn his current one into garbage and then return it for another. I think that crosses a line.
     
  7. Alberta Hunter

    Alberta Hunter

    138
    Apr 29, 2018
    I do as well. I never defended him for that but I do think that the man is entitled to some frustration
    when he sent a knife in for a specific issue and they sent him one that's even worse than the one he
    sent back in the first place.

    Where I work, if we send something out wrong I make 100% certain that what we send back out
    is double checked (sometimes I triple check myself) because it takes a long time to build a reputation
    and a short time to destroy it. Spyderco must know that there is an issue with these knives so they
    should have had someone go through their inventory and send out a pristine example that completely
    lacks the problems the first one was sent in for. Instead, I would bet that they just grabbed a new one
    off the pile and shipped it out without ever putting eyes on it. On a knife as expensive as the Paysan, I
    think that's terrible.

    I was among a lot of other people who were going to buy the Paysan but decided it just wasn't worth
    the risk after watching the reviews on it. I'm sure that there are some people who have these knives
    and they are perfect. I'm also willing to bet that there are a lot of people who have these knives and don't
    even realize there's any problem with them because they are only ever going to be fondled and looked
    at. But for the people who actually use these knives, they will want to know if they have this issue before
    a blade closes across the tops of their fingers when they work the knife through some tough material.

    That's just my opinion though.
     
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  8. Perhaps_OCD?

    Perhaps_OCD? Gold Member Gold Member

    20
    Jan 31, 2013
    I got mine yesterday. It had hair in the handle, an uncentered blade, and tiny chips in the edge. The vendor swears it came straight from Spyderco and offered to provide proof; I have no reason to doubt them. I just ordered some cut proof gloves to test the lock out of curiosity. Either way it's going back to Spyderco, and I'm willing to bet I won't be paying for the shipping.
     
  9. Perhaps_OCD?

    Perhaps_OCD? Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jan 31, 2013
    Just confirmed, mine also has lock slip. My educated guess is that they all do to some extent, and that it’s either due to the insanely thin lock bar, and location of the relief, or exacerbated by it. I only have a few other frame locks (just got into knife collecting this year), but look at the Paysan compared to these ZT’s... even the tiny 0450 has a beefier lock. Yes, engineers, I know this isn't the only factor. I'm just saying, Spyderco has a track record of not knowing what the hell they're doing with frame locks and the Paysan is further evidence.


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  10. Qbert_72

    Qbert_72 Gold Member Gold Member

    316
    Mar 29, 2016
    Crying shame. Really wanted to love this one
    Swing and a big time miss.
     
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  11. Stang Bladeworks

    Stang Bladeworks KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    496
    Feb 19, 2018
    I cant say if they all have slip, mine did and it was quite bad. I can say that I dont think its the fault of the thin lock. My military has a very thin liner, much smaller than the paysan frame and the lockup is very solid. The integral construction does limit the amount of lock bar tension that can be applied. The steel insert may not be helping either. If the geometry is slightly off I feel it is less forgiving than a ti lockup. I agree this is a real shame. Hopefully they recall the existing ones and come out with a whole new revision that corrects the issues and maybe even adds a hollow grind. I love spyderco but alot of people myself included were let down by this.
     
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  12. Perhaps_OCD?

    Perhaps_OCD? Gold Member Gold Member

    20
    Jan 31, 2013
    I hope they revise the design as well. I may have misspoke by saying "thin". I was more referring to the lock bar width rather than the thickness. However, you are likely much more experienced in this area than I am. :thumbsup:

    Spyderco responded to my email about an hour ago and told me I should return it to the vendor for an exchange. I asked them to let me know if I can send it in, wait for them to fix the design, and have the knife replaced... or to let me know if they have no plans to fix the design. I'm interested to see how they respond.
     
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  13. Alberta Hunter

    Alberta Hunter

    138
    Apr 29, 2018
    So, Spyderco doesn't want it back? It sounds like they just want you to exchange it at the vendor so the Vendor must sell it to someone else. This is just passing the problem from one person to another in the hopes that it ends up with someone who won't notice the defect.

    If this is indeed the case, then it sounds like Spyderco doesn't want to deal with the problem.
     
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  14. Perhaps_OCD?

    Perhaps_OCD? Gold Member Gold Member

    20
    Jan 31, 2013
    Yes, but to be fair, I can see why they’d think the knife having blade chips and some hair in the handle is a vendor issue. I believe the vendor, they’re a large online only operation and they shipped me the knife the same day they got it from Spyderco.

    The shitty lock design and blade centering makes it irrelevant. Spyderco needs to step up and hopefully will.
     
  15. Alberta Hunter

    Alberta Hunter

    138
    Apr 29, 2018
    Chips in the blade? Wow..... I would be pissed; even if it were a $50 dollar knife! At over $500, it's
    inexcusable. I would love to know what the Vendor is supposed to do with it now.

    I couldn't agree more that this is a major issue and needs to be remedied.
     
  16. Perhaps_OCD?

    Perhaps_OCD? Gold Member Gold Member

    20
    Jan 31, 2013
    I probably would normally be pissed. But the thought of some guy in Taiwan being like “wow this blade is all chipped, is it still sharp?” then shaving their arm and getting hair in the handle makes me laugh. It’s so shitty it’s funny....

    But hey at least Spyderco was smart using s90v instead of m390, 20cv, or CTS-204p right? JK, what idiots.

    I don’t want to bash them too much tho... my new DLT m390 PM2 and BBS m390 PM2 are pretty good.
     
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  17. Alsharif

    Alsharif Gold Member Gold Member

    166
    Jan 8, 2018
    S90V is a brilliant blade steel, very much in-line with the trio you mentioned.
     
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  18. Hurrul

    Hurrul Gold Member Gold Member

    197
    Aug 26, 2017
    If Spyderco made a blade in s90v, which it appears you don't care for and makes them "idiots", why did you still buy it?
     
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  19. jstn

    jstn

    Jun 27, 2012
    I mostly avoid framelocks for these very reasons. I do own a couple because I love the design and in spite of them being framelocks, but I definitely use them with more caution than my other knives.
     
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  20. Perhaps_OCD?

    Perhaps_OCD? Gold Member Gold Member

    20
    Jan 31, 2013
    Valid point. I almost didn’t buy it because of the blade steel, but I liked everything else about the knife. S90v is a decent steel. However, in my experience it’s harder to sharpen, chips easier (my Paysan has chips and I was being a smart ass), and doesn’t hold an edge any better than m390 or its cousins.



    I didn’t meant to derail the thread. Back to the topic at hand. I’ll be going to a local knife shop this afternoon to look at some stuff, and it appears they have Paysans in stock. I’ll check a couple more out.
     
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