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Spyderco Paysan - lock slip?

Discussion in 'Spyderco' started by razor-edge-knives, May 23, 2019.

  1. AF

    AF Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    y

    Seems like a good option to me. I don't understand your objection to the pricing. Yes, you'll pay MSRP for a new knife but you're also being credited with MSRP for the Paysan so it's a wash.
     
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  2. soc_monki

    soc_monki

    290
    Apr 5, 2019
    Exactly. They give you msrp credit, and it's not like you get to get something and then use the leftover credit for something else. Get a Drunken. I want one, but I can't bring myself to spend 400 bucks on a knife.

    I hope they have another sinkevich collab, or make a cheaper version of the drunken. I do love the looks of it, and enjoy my Kershaw and zt sinkevich knives.
     
  3. grumpy514

    grumpy514 Gold Member Gold Member

    361
    Jul 3, 2011
    Unfortunately I have all the Spydercos I currently want (including the drunken). I'm going to give them a call tomorrow and request the knife back and just use the hell out of it until they come back in stock and exchange it for a new one.
     
  4. AF

    AF Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    Let us know if they agree to that.
     
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  5. haayema

    haayema Gold Member Gold Member

    57
    Aug 17, 2016
    Following.
    My Paysan has horrible, audible lock stick. Haven't tested on failure yet.
     
  6. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    Paysans are currently "in stock" and available for sale on Spyderco's website.

    I just bought one as an OpFocus member a few minutes ago. I doubt that they have many for sale and expect the available stock to sell out quickly. Hopefully, they've fixed the lock slip/stick problems in this new batch that prior purchasers have complained about in earlier production models. We'll see . . .

    BTW, Drunkens are also showing as "in stock" and available for sale direct from Spyderco too. Rare to see both of these knives available there for sale at all, let alone at the same time.
     
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2019
  7. Alberta Hunter

    Alberta Hunter

    138
    Apr 29, 2018
    I would be surprised if Spyderco agrees to this. It was sent in for an unsafe lock so they could potentially
    be held liable if anything happened as a result of them sending you a knowingly unsafe knife to use.

    I could be wrong though and am curious as to whether they send it back to you or keep it.
     
  8. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    Received my Paysan yesterday.

    I don't think there is any "lock slip" because the lock up is so tight that the lock bar simply can't be moved w/o considerable outward force. I didn't test it (as in the video) by mounting the blade in a vice but I haven't done that w/any other folder in my collection and am not sure how many of those knives would also fail such a test. I just don't think that this blade will close on me inadvertently in "normal" use

    Don't think there is any lock "stick" either but this opinion requires a little explanation.

    There is definite friction between the tip of the lock bar and the portion of the blade that it abuts which prevents an entirely smooth closure (more like a "click" than a "stick"). However, I associate the term "lock stick" with friction between the end of a titanium lock bar and the steel end of a blade (like on my ZT0560). The titanium lock bar on the Paysan is tipped w/what I assume is a steel insert. So, there is no titanium "lock stick" as I understand it.

    Nonetheless, the friction that does exist is a minor annoyance that some light smoothing/shaping of the lock bar tip (which is removable) should solve but I'm not ready to to that yet. May do it later if I decide to keep the knife for the long term but I'm not sure I'm ready to do that yet either.

    Bottom line, it's a nice knife. The shape of the titanium handle feels very good in my hand and I like the heft of the blade which places the balance slightly forward. I also like the size/shape of the blade and the use of S90V steel but, for the price, I would have hoped for even better steel than that.

    Is it worth $400, which is what I paid for it as an OpFocus member? I think so, at least as compared w/other knives currently in the same price range, like the MUDD Auto that I recently purchased and the BRS ALT Alpha Beast balisong that I traded it for and the Gen 6 Hinderer XM-18 3.0 that I sold.

    But is it worth $520 at MAP which is the price most people would have to pay for it at retail? Unfortunately, at that level, I think not. So, if you can find it for resale at or below $450 (which is what it's selling for currently in the 2ndary mkt), I'd say it's a "fair" price but at any more than that, I think that you could do better.

    Update 7/23:
    Just traded the Paysan for a Tilt and am much happier. :)
     
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2019
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  9. grumpy514

    grumpy514 Gold Member Gold Member

    361
    Jul 3, 2011
    Yes and no. They said the knife was deemed unsafe and I could have it sent back but I would not be able to send it in again for warranty.... so I just told them to keep it.


    Fast forward to yesterday. New replacement Paysan showed up andddddd it is worse than the one I sent in. Lock rock is still there and now this one has lockstick which my other one barley had a whisper of. The lock stick on this one is very noticeable and audible. The lock rock is noticeable and audible. Not very happy about this. I've already sent them a lengthy email asking why this knife wasn't checked before it was sent to me. Seems stupid to send a customer a replacement knife that has the exact same issue as the reason they sent it in and on top of the lock stick.

    The only positive to everything is I got a new pouch. Will keep updated on what happens next. I really don't have much hope that any problems will be fixed, Or possibly ever be fixed.


    I'm going to use the hell out of this knife and treat it like a $5 gas station knife until I send it back and get another one. I'm thinking at minimum it will be months before any actual changes happen... if that ever happens. Seems like they just cant get Peter's knives right, a damn shame because the Paysan & Nirvana are gorgeous knives... unfortunately plagued with issues. My drunken is flawless thankfully. One of my all time favorite Spydercos ever released.
     

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  10. jacksterp

    jacksterp Basic Member Basic Member

    Jun 3, 2011
    WOW - very surprised by the content of this thread and the LACK of content by ANYONE from Spyderco.
     
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  11. Alberta Hunter

    Alberta Hunter

    138
    Apr 29, 2018
    Agreed. They don't seem very concerned with this being a big issue; especially considering this is
    their flagship model and most expensive knife.
     
  12. AF

    AF Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    Spyderco listens closely so I'm sure they're paying attention and conducting their own research and seeking solutions. It is disappointing though.
     
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  13. sharp_edge

    sharp_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 30, 2015
    Most expensive? Maybe. Flagship model? I have no idea.
     
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  14. Alberta Hunter

    Alberta Hunter

    138
    Apr 29, 2018
    Well, it is supposed to represent their finest work to date. At least that's what I consider to be a flagship
    model.
    Perhaps I used the wrong terminology.
     
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  15. ReignChaser

    ReignChaser

    7
    May 26, 2019
    I truly hope they don't accept your return. That is disgusting and awful customers like you are the reason some companies stopped accepting returns altogether.
     
  16. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    It doesn't surprise me that Sal would not want to comment publicly on this matter. What's the point?

    You've got a disgruntled customer who isn't happy even after he got a FREE replacement of a $800 MSRP knife. Any remaining issues should be handled privately between the parties involved.
     
  17. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    Huh? They sent the guy an entirely new knife $800 MSRP knife in exchange for the one he didn't like/complained about. That seems pretty "concerned" and responsive to me.
     
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  18. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Platinum Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    The poster may have just retorted that sentiment in a burst of anger and frustration but be advised that Sal Glesser reads this subforum and although he rarely comments on posts of this nature, he can easily instruct Spyderco to be alert if / when. What the poster had said, if carried out, is self-incriminating which offers grounds for voiding the warranty!
     
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  19. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Platinum Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    ^ Ha! Simultaneous post in the same vein as sgt's :)
     
  20. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    If you "use the hell" out of the replacement knife you got, they will NOT (and should NOT) have to give you another knife. They would resharpen and repair the knife (as necessary) under warranty but if you want to f*ck up a $800 MSRP knife, that sounds pretty f*cking stupid to me but it's your $ and your knife. Do as you please.

    Just don't expect Spyderco to send you another knife when you post sh*t like this about them and the knife here.
     

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