Yep it seems its true, the Woodsman is going 420 SS.
If I'm wrong please happily lock this thread.
It might be true unfortunately.
I just looked at @KnifeCenter website and it says the 5160 Woodsman has been discontinued but a 420 Stainless Woodsman is available
I hope this doesn't become a trend with OKC.
I spotted its going 420 SS on several sites, but even OKC's own site says 420 SS.
I spotted its going 420 SS on several sites, but even OKC's own site says 420 SS.
I finally ordered one of these blades in 5160, it was on backorder for a while, then came in as 420ss and of not so great quality. I am really disappointed. I see people speculating, oh it can't be cheap chibese steel, they wouldn't do that... well, it's pretty cheesey looking to me. Crooked bevel, edge isn't straight, bad fit-up. The steel looks like it was stamped out of a blank or something. Care was not taken to put this thing together. I still really want a 5160 version, but i haven't been able to find it anywhere. Such a shame what they did. How could this big heavy chopper survive the kind of beating it was designed for when made from ss?
According to Toooj, the switch to 1075 for most of the SP series, (not the Gen 2 SP's), got phased in about 2-3 years ago. The edge retention may be a little less with the 1075 when compared to the 1095, but what they were aiming for was added tougness. So, the 1095 held a little bit better edge, but the little bit more toughness of the 1075, (less brittle), won out.Sad to hear OKC is switching from 1560 to 420SS on the Woodsman. Also a while back Toooj mentioned OKC was switching from 1095 to 1075 on some models.
According to Toooj, the switch to 1075 for most of the SP series, (not the Gen 2 SP's), got phased in about 2-3 years ago. The edge retention may be a little less with the 1075 when compared to the 1095, but what they were aiming for was added tougness. So, the 1095 held a little bit better edge, but the little bit more toughness of the 1075, (less brittle), won out.
I can see their reasons behind that one, especially on their longer blades that get pretty beat up with battoning and such. 1055, 1065, and 1075 are steels often used for hard use, high impact, and longer blades. Yes, the lower it goes, the less it will compare with edge retention of the 1095, (the heat treatment being comparable and all), but I think the choosing of 1075 was a good compromise... In my opinion.
Is 420j2 Chinese? I thought the 4- - annotation indicated American, and that Chinese would use 3cr16 or some such. But I guess they can stamp whatever they want on a blade.Yes, Sir, I think you are correct.
Now, it would be strange for them to not specify the grade of 420 stainless that it is. I mean, just like with 440 stainless, where there is a difference between 440A, 440B, and 440C, there are differences in 420 stainless steels. That's not to say that 440A & 440B are necessarily terrible steels when heat treated correctly for their intended uses, but the 440C is usually the higher sought after grade.
In 420 stainless, there is the Chinese steel 420j2, and there is the more respected American 420hc... I can't imagine that Ontario is using the Chinese 420j2?