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WARNING: Pekko Nilakka Folder!!!!

Discussion in 'Spyderco' started by hollowdweller, Oct 13, 2012.

  1. yablanowitz

    yablanowitz

    Apr 14, 2006
    Well, I got curious last night and got out the diamond hones. I ran it back down as close to zero as I could get it and did a little testing. It fared a little better, but not much. It certainly isn't robust enough to qualify as light duty capable on my scale. Trimming my fingernails would overtax it, and I don't open that much mail. I've convexed it a little now, so I'll see how it does.
     
  2. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    Hmmmm??? I'd like to hear the story on this one.
     
  3. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003

    I've convexed mine totally back and tested it several times. I'm no longer getting any chipping or serious rolling even when I'm putting a lot of sideways force on the edge, but there is still one place when I cut something that when I hold the edge up to the light I can see a dimple, so I'm going to have to take that part a little farther back. It's the part that naturally you use the most when you cut wood, but I've tried to use all parts of the edge equally.

    I can't see there's any way a zero grind would work on this unless you make the blade thicker at the spine so the angle is steeper. 3V is the only steel I can think of offhand that might work with this thin a grind.

    I think the best mod for Spyderco is to actually make this a "Scandi" grind blade rather than a full flat.
     
  4. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    An "apple seed" edge grind will do the trick.
     
  5. Fredde90210

    Fredde90210

    461
    May 14, 2010
    Enzo, BarkRiver & Mora
     
  6. GMAHN

    GMAHN

    183
    Sep 30, 2010
    It looks like a simple case of too hard and too thin to my eyes. If steel can't handle wood then we have a problem.
     
  7. yablanowitz

    yablanowitz

    Apr 14, 2006
    I really think it's too soft rather than too hard. Mine at least has not chipped at all. The steel stretches and does not return to its original dimensions (plastic deformation), resulting in the ripples and bends seen.
     
  8. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    What's the fix?? Secondary bevel?
     
  9. gooeytek

    gooeytek

    Jul 12, 2011
    CPM-M4 would be a nice fix, or maybe Elmax :)

    Although with the blade & stop pin design of the Nilakka, i don't think there is a more cost-effective route for the factory other than to keep using S30V and revisit the edge profile. Maybe some heat-treat wizardry?
     
  10. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    Nope. Have all 3. Higher angled.
     
  11. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    I still want one.
    At a BIG discount!!
    :D
     
  12. Sal Glesser

    Sal Glesser Moderator Moderator

    Dec 27, 1998
    Pekka requested that we add a micro bevel on the piece. I put a 30 degree micro bevel on mine and I'm testing. They're pretty hard (61) so I think the problem is too thin. We'll keep testing and keep you informed. right now we're not shipping.

    sal
     
  13. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    Thank you Sal.
    You can ship one. :)
     
  14. co556guy

    co556guy

    887
    Dec 13, 2011
    I'm sure spyderco will make things right.

    Good looking knife though.
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2012
  15. toban_bison

    toban_bison

    44
    Feb 13, 2011
    I pre-ordered one of these and its now in transit. I just heard about these problems, does anyone have any advise about what I can/should do?

    I don't think I am 100% comfortable with trying to re-profile a knife I just paid $200 for, do I have any other options?

    I assume that since Spyderco is now "not shipping" there is some admission of a problem so do you think they will do something about the knives that have already been released?

    Thanks for any info or suggestions.
     
  16. Sal Glesser

    Sal Glesser Moderator Moderator

    Dec 27, 1998
    Hi Toban,

    We usually make things right. New model, new concepts, new knowledge needed.

    sal
     
  17. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    Mine seems to be holding up now with the secondary bevel. I'll try it more this weekend when I can go for a hike. The edge is so thin that even with the secondary it cuts really well.
     
  18. yablanowitz

    yablanowitz

    Apr 14, 2006
    Good luck with that. From the depth of the damage mine sustained and what I saw in hollowdweller's pictures, I think you're going to have to go well beyond anything that could be described as "micro". Mine seems to be stable at 20° included, and I've been slowly taking the flats down to thin the edge. I'm down to about 0.007" at the back of the secondary bevel now, and so far it is holding up.
     
  19. sogflash

    sogflash

    Aug 28, 2011
    This knife seemed like one I just had to get. I hope spyderco will make this right. Another version on this knife with a scandi grind would be perfect!

    It would also be nice to know what the intended use is for this knife. I must wonder how this passed quality control if this is a problem on all nilakkas.
     
  20. stevewest

    stevewest

    Nov 25, 2006
    Well crap. I saw this model on my favorite vendors website and got awfully excited about it. Was getting ready to purchase and am glad that everybody has commented. I really hope that Sal and the guys/gals get this sorted out as it is a very attractive knife and looks like it would be a heck of a cutter. I will patiantly wait on the sidelines to see where this goes.
     

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