What's the difference?

Nathan the Machinist said:
...3V is tougher [than 4V]....4V [does not have good corrosion resistance]...Delta 3V is a better all-around knife steel...
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You hear that, Blade Show folks :rolleyes: ? D3V > O4V so keep your grubby hands off those 4V EDC :mad: . Leave them on the table :cool: . That way, perhaps we can see a table overrun O4V EDC Friday sale special ;)
 
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I agree w/ TommyGun and also Petey2.1 in that folks can like or not like whatever they wish. It really is impossible in many cases to tell someone else that he or she wasted money on a particular knife. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I am relying on the context of this discussion. Obviously the owner doesn't think the money was a waste or else it wouldn't have been purchased.

That said, it is certainly true that gimmickry, fads, and "fanboys" do exist and are a part of the knife industry and every other industry as well. I like to educate myself before I buy a product--knife or otherwise. That way, I can steer clear of the obvious fads and not fall prey to the marketing gimmickry.

As far as the "fanboy" aspect, I have always found that type of behavior to be loathsome and obnoxious. It's okay to love a product. It's quite all right to be excited and enthusiastic as well. I am looking forward to my NASK! Aren't you? Haven't you told your friends/family/co-workers about what an awesome product CPK puts out? I sure have! And I've done so with pride! What I have not and will not do is to tell people they *have* to like what I like, or what I like is *better* than what they like, or if they don't like it then something is wrong with them. I am willing to consider pretty much anything reasonable and try to keep an open mind!
 
adamlau said:
You hear that, Blade Show folks :rolleyes: ? D3V > O4V so keep your grubby hands off those 4V EDC :mad: . Leave them on the table :cool: . That way, perhaps we can see a table overrun 4V EDC Friday sale special ;)
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^^^ I completely agree. Skip the O4V and go straight for the D3V :thumbsup: . As an aside, any attendees willing to proxy purchase an O4V EDC on my behalf :D ?
 
Ratman, your sentiment is pride of ownership which is distinctively different than "fanboyism" which can have a negative connotation. Nothing wrong with being proud of what you have gathered which you can explain your enthusiasm for by using reason and logic. Most fervent fanboys just tend to have blind faith in what they perceive as their prized possession, they incessantly bash, deride and ridicule anything and anyone that doesn't belong to their "tribe" all the while demonstrating an inability to consider and accept criticism. I have not seen that on here from those so-called Busse "fanboys" who cross collect / own Carothers.
 
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I'll go on record and say I'm a CPK fanboy for all to see. and I absolutely told all of my buddies and the wife about the NASKs I have on order.

Maybe I'm not a fanboy based on CS's description. I retract my previous statement.
 
Adam, I am pretty sure that the EDC-4Vs will be offered on Fridays sales before too long. After the very limited run of the Heavy Choppers, probably soon(ish) after Blade 2017, the EDC-4V will make its rotation into the every 2-3 weeks Fridays sale frequency, in between some NASK Friday sales. Everything is already there for that iteration so you just need to be alert and quick when their Friday sales are announced. I do not see an issue with you landing one, based on how fast you've caught onto here ;)
 
Awesome reply, Casinostocks! I agree with you also b/c I have not seen that behavior here either. Folks here show that you can like diverse products from different makers. And like them equally and without starting the "Mine's bigger/better than yours..." saga.

I have been known to extol the virtues of the Busse S.O.B. (in multiple threads, multiple times, and in multiple subforums !!) but it's because it really performs great for me and I want everyone to have that kind of performance. I had not owned a knife before it that just seemed to work so well. It's a great size, good steel/ergos and it appeals to my personality. Same with my FK and I'm sure withe NASK too!

PS--ManofSteel; You're not a fanboy--you have an eye for quality! One could even say you have a refined knife palette (even though you don't eat the knives)
 
adamlau said:
But, but....but I want one now :( ...
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Letting you know of a secret: Nathan had let out in the past that there's a creek behind their premises where some battle sacrificed CPKs go to "heaven". You may wanna scout that creek because I'm thinking that some can perhaps be salvaged and revived back to some form of life, but watch out for a dog named Sadie. She's known to bite peep in the derriere, including Papa Carothers :D
 
This thread was linked to from the next sale.

Re: busse/carothers/other makers

I will add that there are very few knives from any maker that have blown me away in terms of production level sharpness.

Actually, there is only one maker who meets this criteria for me: ban tang.

Both busse knives and cpk knives come with what I feel to be suboptimal edges. This is speaking strictly from my experience.

However, I also believe both brands offer an excellent value to customers.

If you use the knife you are going to need to sharpen it anyway.

I commend Nathan and Jo's commitment to developing the product and keeping things tight.

They are producing reasonably good knives at reasonably good prices. I like the sound of that. I don't feel the need to prove them as the best ever. That's a trifling path to go down imho.
 
Well shoot, I linked this in the next sale thread for someone who was asking about 3V vs 4V. I forgot how it went to hell after the first page. I believe I will just jog on over and edit that link out now.
 
Hard Knocks said:
Well shoot, I linked this in the next sale thread for someone who was asking about 3V vs 4V. I forgot how it went to hell after the first page. I believe I will just jog on over and edit that link out now.
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yup...gotta recognize the trolls try to swerve threads ALL THE TIME
 
Nothing further to add. Better be silent and be considered a tool... :)
 
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JustinFournier said:
Do you mean geometry or initial sharpness?
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To clarify, I would consider sharpness to be a parent domain in which geometry, uniformity, grain structure, and polish are contributing variables.

Whether it is percieved as sharp does not explicitly speak to the knife's capability to perform a given task over time. It is part of function but not the whole story.

Many have noted Busse's tendency to favor obtuse edges. I would agree with the assessment in some but not all cases. It is also easily correctable.

My experience with CPK is that the knives would benefit from additional thinning and refining at smaller micron/grit levels... in some but not all cases. Also easily correctable.

I have never received a knife from either company that would fail to perform a given task that I required of it.

As such, I value being able to obtain the products at a cost that enables the maker to provide a functional edge.

So the CPK edge is certainly in line with the design and philosophy of use that the product was made for. This could be described as objectively optimized.

But I would have to work on a Busse or CPK to be personally satisfied carrying it. As I would most knives.

If I wanted a subjectively optimized edge from the start I would not give business to either company. As it stands I do give business to both companies.
 
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I understand.

Generally I work on anything before I use/carry it. That includes $2000+ folders, vehicles or other gear.

I haven't had an edge from CPK come at a level I feel would be inconsistent with the pricing save for one occasion which Nathan corrected when I sent the knife back to him. They are often shaving sharp which I feel is very sharp for his pricing.

I used to be into CRK whom ship horribly dull edges often and became accustomed to correcting the profile of every knife I would get before it could be put into the rotation.

I have a wicked edge Pro 2 system so generally speaking I can spend a little time getting the initial setup done then work a very sharp edge quickly. I no longer apply mirror polishes as it takes too much time to maintain.

In short I suppose a little bit of tooth on a shaving sharp edge is sufficient. I guess the older I get, on tool grade knives I'm more pragmatic than I realized.
 
I would agree and we don't need to look much past the brand to identify what the edge is for. These are performance knives, and performance implies the accomplishment of work. In contrast, Busse is making combat knives, not necessarily geared for carving or bushcraft. Ban Tang makes stupid sharp knives... the realization of the ideal is embedded in the brand.

Direct comparison often ignores contextual variables that the maker must use when designing a product to meet an objective.

CPK knives are demonstrably optimized for performance at a given task and not necessarily designed to meet an ideal of sharpness. But the same rules apply across the board...
 
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