Why?

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by AshesFall, Jul 28, 2019.

  1. BenchCo Spydermade

    BenchCo Spydermade

    Feb 10, 2014
    Also deleted.
     
  2. AshesFall

    AshesFall

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    Jul 16, 2019
    Wasn't really saying carbons will vanish altogether, just mainly questioning their popularity with the future generations in the distant future. Just a random thought that popped into my head and nothing really serious lol.. just thought it would be interesting to get others opinions on. But yeah like others have said, I don't see them going anywhere either. Carbons are always needed in some situation and some people will always prefer them. Thanks for the replies everyone, I'm learning a lot on this forum so far and I do appreciate it.
     
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  3. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    I understand blacksmiths start with carbon steel as it is relatively inexpensive and easily available. Knives made with it are just fine overall. It's the handmade stuff that pushes me to the more modern steels. I don't buy knives expressly for resale ever, but knowing I can sell a knife for something approaching original cost down the road is useful. So, take a knife maker who uses carbon steel and forges his blades.... great stuff. But down the road who would want the blade for anything close to original purchase price? This is the trend I sense going on.... old handmade knives unless the maker is special, completely loose their value.

    I believe nobody actually cares on factory made knives.... but handmade, many care. It comes down to knives are essentially consumable products with almost a time date that nobody speaks of.
     
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  4. Larrin

    Larrin Gold Member Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Gold Member

    Jan 17, 2004
    I think ABS Mastersmith knives generally hold their value or go up. The majority of those makers are using carbon and low alloy steels.
     
  5. Cscotttsss

    Cscotttsss Basic Member Basic Member

    Mar 3, 2015
    Why make one word thread titles like this? Not to be a curmudgeon but it's almost like it's click bait.
     
  6. Pomsbz

    Pomsbz

    Jul 31, 2015
    I just don't see the point unless we're talking about the higher end materials. Why choose something less capable if you don't have to? Other than tradition for traditions sake that is, something which doesn't interest me particularly.
     
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  7. AshesFall

    AshesFall

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    Jul 16, 2019
    Actually no, not click bait at all. I typed the whole thing out and was in a hurry afterwards, so I just titled it to whatever came to my mind at the time and "why?" was simple and fast. At the time I didn't see it as a problem as I'm new to the knife forum, but I do apologize to everyone and I will never do this again on my future threads.
     
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  8. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    The ultimate question is "Does it really matter if you use your knife as a knife?" Carbon vs stainless.... rust issue choice. And I am mostly referring to handmade knives with this statement not some $15 knife made in 440A.
     
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  9. brownshoe

    brownshoe I support this site with my MIND

    Sep 6, 2002
    I like pretty knives and shiny things, thus stainless is my friend. I still get knives in non-stainless even some customs. Even though I care for them, stuff happens and they get pits or pepper spots, especially on back springs. Some makers don't use stainless and I want their work.
     
  10. sharp_edge

    sharp_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 30, 2015
    I agree.

    The OP imagined a problem that is really not a problem, in the opinions of most serious knife users.
     
  11. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    Because they don’t really use their knives to understand the merits of a properly tempered carbon steel blade
     
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  12. razorburn

    razorburn Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 26, 2007
    I simply hate rust
     
  13. dirc

    dirc

    Jan 31, 2018
    imho, my grail carbon steel is cpm-m4... it has only 4% chrome, so nowhere near stainless... http://www.zknives.com/knives/steels/cpm_m4.shtml (but to be fair, it's also very different from most carbon steels)

    you need to edc a gail bradley 2 for a while to see what I mean ; )

    it's pretty unreal how long the edge lasts on it
     
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  14. gazz98

    gazz98 Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 3, 2008
    Nothing wrong with 1095. Many of my fixed blades are 1095 and work just fine. I don't think I've ever had a folder with 1095 or carbon steel tho.
     
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  15. Stubai

    Stubai

    Mar 16, 2007
    Somewhere back in the day, I wrote a mini treatise on this very subject. It had something to do with my utter hate for rusting tools, although back at the farm, my grandfather used a double bit Kelly for years without taking too much care of it. The axe was kept in the shed for the most part. If memory serves, the tool was doused in 30 weight motor old maybe twice a year...

    Fast forward and I find myself using WD40 as a quick preventative measure, all the while knowing fully well that this is just a band aid solution to an age old problem. I have a bottle of mineral oil for the safe queens and some Rem oil for the remainder. Then of course, one has to take the time to apply the oil.

    These days I favor stainless blades for the hunt having settled on 154CM as a middle of the road approach. My stripped SR101 knives have brought me joy in spades but I am careful to clean and oil them up following use. There is no magic bullet...no Talonite coupled with Rockstead geometry that can stay sharp forever while being as tough as S7 pounded through angle iron.
     
  16. tiguy7

    tiguy7 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 25, 2008
    Why would anyone drag around a rusty piece of steel when they could have a modern, maintenance free chunk of knapped flint?
     
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  17. AshesFall

    AshesFall

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    Jul 16, 2019
    No one really knows if it will be a problem yet or not as the future is still untold. I just simply brought up a "could happen" scenario that may or may not happen and it wasn't meant to be taken seriously as if it's actually going to happen because I honestly don't know what will happen. Just thought it would be a fun conversation to spark up the imaginations and curiosities of others that were interested in conversing on the subject. "What if" scenario's are always good conversation, that is unless you're not into those sort of conversations. I also enjoy learning through the opinions of others as I'm sure others do as well. To each his own though and thank you for your opinion.
     
  18. benchwarmer380

    benchwarmer380 Valyrian Member Platinum Member

    Sep 17, 2012
    Welcome to the forums!


    Your first post presented a problem that you've noticed and the resulting posts from members mostly debunked the notion.

    Not sure how that was to be construed as a "what if" scenario with the way you worded the post.



    I have both stainless and carbon in my pocket right now, the former for one handed opening and the latter because carbon keeps cutting.


    Oh, and "Why?" is a click bait title, but no harm done. ;)
    Enjoy the madness.:D
     
  19. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    @AshesFall I don't think "problem" is the proper word choice. Issue perhaps? Frankly, I don't see stainless steel replacing carbon steel with knives any time in the immediate future. Knives last a long time.

    Did a chain saw replace a hand saw?
     
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  20. marcinek

    marcinek Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 9, 2007
    Discussions and debates are great but not if they are based on false or unrealistic assumptions. Carbon steel really isn't an issue. Nor is laminated steel. There is no real "showdown/conflict" possible between a Kabar and a Buck 119.

    All seems to remind me of an old SNL bit where they did a show called "What If?" where they answered questions like "What if Superman grew up in Germany instead of America?", "What if Eleanor Roosevelt could fly?", and, if I recall, "What if George Washington had a robot friend?" :D
     

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