Quick Question about Different Sub Fora

An observation:

Klein Helmer said:
I will steer clear of W&C, but that is a shame because I was about to, and had already with just a few posts begun to breathe some new life into the place.
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Given your reception in that subforum, others' take on the same and proffered advice, and your ongiong confusion here in this thread, the above statement (bold is mine) suggests a perspective that will leave you at cross-purposes with yours and others' actual enjoyment should you continue to participate in W&C.

~ P.
 
Klein Helmer said:
If I am free to post in the W&C section, so long as I remain within the parameters of the forum rules, without fear of being kicked off the site, I very much want to join the fray.
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You're not. Nobody is.

What people so often do not understand is that forums are owned and operated by people. And, typically, run by representatives of that person or people. Moderators.

If any of those people say you're out...you're out. Even without an explanation or reason. Forums aren't "America"...they don't have "free speech"...they are somebody's living room.

If one doesn't want to deal with that reality...one can start up a blog.

That said, and no kissing up intended, having been a mod, and having spent a great deal of time at the major online knife discussion sites, I have found the moderators here to have a pretty light, but experienced hand.

But if one has established oneself to be a enough of a disruptive jerk, one will get tossed from the party.
 
Klein Helmer said:
I think most people understand trolling precisely as profanely trash talking.
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No, trolling is deliberately stirring up dissension, trying to be disruptive.

Read post #4 again, by Maniacal Pete. W&C is a Corner Bar, many of the regulars have been drinking, but they all know each other, and the insults are tailored to the discussions and experiences they've shared.

A new guy walks into the bar and says, "All right everyone! Shut up and listen to me!" Sorry, buddy, it ain't gonna happen.
 
pertinux said:
An observation:



Given your reception in that subforum, others' take on the same and proffered advice, and your ongiong confusion here in this thread, the above statement (bold is mine) suggests a perspective that will leave you at cross-purposes with yours and others' actual enjoyment should you continue to participate in W&C.

~ P.
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This just goes to show again how how wrong I was and how inadequate this site's description of its own sub forum is. W&C is not presented as a place where one needs to, before posting, weigh carefully whether or not their words will lead to their fellow posters' enjoyment, indeed it is presented as quite the opposite.

marcinek said:
You're not. Nobody is.

What people so often do not understand is that forums are owned and operated by people. And, typically, run by representatives of that person or people. Moderators.

If any of those people say you're out...you're out. Even without an explanation or reason. Forums aren't "America"...they don't have "free speech"...they are somebody's living room.

If one doesn't want to deal with that reality...one can start up a blog.

That said, and no kissing up intended, having been a mod, and having spent a great deal of time at the major online knife discussion sites, I have found the moderators here to have a pretty light, but experienced hand.

But if one has established oneself to be a enough of a disruptive jerk, one will get tossed from the party.
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I understood all this perfectly, save the part about being banned for no reason. I thought the forum's rules could be taken at face value. Unfortunately, they cannot.

Esav Benyamin said:
No, trolling is deliberately stirring up dissension, trying to be disruptive.

Read post #4 again, by Maniacal Pete. W&C is a Corner Bar, many of the regulars have been drinking, but they all know each other, and the insults are tailored to the discussions and experiences they've shared.

A new guy walks into the bar and says, "All right everyone! Shut up and listen to me!" Sorry, buddy, it ain't gonna happen.
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At this point I think we are just rehashing that which we have already discussed, but I will once more point out the inconsistencies I am here observing. You define trolling as stirring up dissension, which again, I would equate directly with "taking the piss out of someone." With regard to disruption, I think my posting was far from it. I have made multiple posts outside of the W&C section, all of them being courteous and measured. With regard to the posts in question, I was posting, in a manner explicitly stated to be allowed, in one single thread, in one single sub forum of the website (I was certainly not spamming or disrupting multiple threads). Anyone who saw it and took offense could have chosen to avoid the thread, or take the drastic measure of putting me on their ignore list - they also could have gone the intended route of that sub forum, and engaged in some witty ribbing.

I honestly suggest the owners and operators of this site either drastically rewrite the rules governing the Whine and Cheese section, or remove it entirely, as it would seem its posters are too tenderhearted for a true off topic sub forum.
 
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Klein Helmer said:

I honestly suggest the owners and operators of this site either drastically rewrite the rules governing the Whine and Cheese section, or remove it entirely, as it would seem its posters are too tenderhearted for a true off topic sub forum.
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This forum has been here for 15 years. You've been here a week. Maybe consider the possibility that if one manages to make the mods notice them enough to mention banning when there are almost 20,000 other members active, it may not be everyone elses' fault.
 
Kiah said:
This forum has been here for 15 years. You've been here a week. Maybe consider the possibility that if one manages to make the mods notice them enough to mention banning when there are almost 20,000 other members active, it may not be everyone elses' fault.
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May I speak candidly?
 
RevDevil said:
Have you not been all this time?
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Fair enough.

Here is my interpretation of what is happening here:

W&C absolutely is a section for all of the aforementioned activities. There exists there a crowd, members thereof largely familiar with one another, who enjoy engaging in said activities. Then I show up and make an entrance, and am immediately met with hostility and insults - I am not concerned by this, but I welcome it, as again, this is the intended purpose of that section. I start responding to people (mind you, I never directly addressed or insulted anyone specifically unless they first engaged me), and when civilian posters and moderators alike began to feel like they were getting the worse of the exchanges, they started talking about and calling for a ban, because they didn't like their odds of squaring up again.

I suppose if that's how it is, and the people there are that sensitive, I'm not interested anyway. I don't clack wooden practice swords with kid gloves, I only go live steel.

I will close with this and hopefully any reasoning person will recognize this hypocrisy for what it is.

From the sticky threads governing Whine and Cheese:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/263356-Sigs-amp-Stuff

Cougar Allen:

The Dozens

Long ago something happened in W&C that had nothing to do with playing the dozens. Some people misinterpreted that incident to mean there was a rule against the dozens in W&C, but that was because they were stoopid, their mamas were stoopid, their grandmamas were stoopid, but they will never have stoopid children because they and their sistas are too stoopid to figure out how to fit their uglies together and make babies.

Some other people who are not necessarily that stoopid (to say nothing of their mamas, grandmamas, & sistas) read posts from those other people saying there was a rule and not knowing how stoopid those other people (and their mamas, grandmamas, & sistas) were, believed them.

I contributed to the confusion by explaining it in a complicated way, so the excessively stoopid had difficulty understanding. Now I hope this is simple enough for even people with stoopid mamas to understand:

There is no rule against the dozens in W&C. There never has been any such rule and there never will be. If you can’t deal with that, go whine to yo’ mama.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ttention-Halfwits!-This-is-your-final-warning

Spark:

Whine & Cheese is here for you guys to blow off steam and take the piss out of each other. It is here as a courtesy with the implied intention that W&C events do not bleed over into the rest of the forums.

It is not here so you can unload on the moderators, or start cross forum flame wars that waste my time and hurt the community.

Should this trend continue, I will be more than happy to take away this playground, and start banning those who make the moderators lives more difficult than they already are. I might even start charging entry fees to get into certain area's of the site, or limit certain people's access to very private exclusive forums.

So, from the bottom of my dark, black heart, (edited by KH for content likely unfit for the support section).

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/263356-Sigs-amp-Stuff

Bastid:

And another thing.
Posting links to W&C posts or threads in any forum (other than the Cove) is not a good thing. This forum is full of trash, I am part of it willingly; others may not be so willing and may not understand that nothing is sacred here. Friends are giving each other some vulgar grief on occasions and many do not get it and get bent out of shape.

People that do not know each other get on the carpet in nasty ways at times. There are some folks who do not want to see that stuff and that should be respected. So let's not bring anyone in here who did not enter on purpose.

(Like the title says I am one of the Bastids that roost here, so I should know).
 
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Klein Helmer said:
I honestly suggest the owners and operators of this site either drastically rewrite the rules governing the Whine and Cheese section, or remove it entirely, as it would seem its posters are too tenderhearted for a true off topic sub forum.
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Really? That is quite a drastic recommendation especially since there is a warning at the top of the page. Enter at your own risk, to paraphrase.

I do think that the analogies of a "corner bar" and "living room" are very accurate for the Wine and Cheese forum. You can easily tell that there is a certain group of forumers that hang there more than most. With that being said, for me the best way to handle W&C is to browse at the boobies, laugh, and if you have something to say talk about the content being discussed or shown not at whoever is doing the talking. Once you build a rapport with the Cheesers then you can take some friendly pot shots until then it will generally be seen as hostile. If something negative is said to or about you ignore it.

From my experience most of the folks that hang there are an integral part of this community.

It is definitely a fun place where lurking and looking is just as fun hanging with the bunch.


And to be clear I have not read what went on between you and others besides what was posted here. Good day sir.
 
Many of us pay for higher membership levels to financially support the blade forum community, not to view porn.
 
benchwarmer380 said:
Really? That is quite a drastic recommendation especially since there is a warning at the top of the page. Enter at your own risk, to paraphrase.

I do think that the analogies of a "corner bar" and "living room" are very accurate for the Wine and Cheese forum. You can easily tell that there is a certain group of forumers that hang there more than most. With that being said, for me the best way to handle W&C is to browse at the boobies, laugh, and if you have something to say talk about the content being discussed or shown not at whoever is doing the talking. Once you build a rapport with the Cheesers then you can take some friendly pot shots until then it will generally be seen as hostile. If something negative is said to or about you ignore it.

From my experience most of the folks that hang there are an integral part of this community.

It is definitely a fun place where lurking and looking is just as fun hanging with the bunch.


And to be clear I have not read what went on between you and others besides what was posted here. Good day sir.
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Right. I took the "enter at your own risk," and other explicitly stated rules to mean the posters there were thick skinned and could handle a light razzing.

I now know that could not be further from the truth with regard to those posters' delicate sensibilities and I will not risk injuring them further. Nor will I be subjecting my account to the whims of moderators inconsistently enforcing vague, ambiguous, unwritten rules.

Thank you for your thoughtful response and good day to you, sir.
 
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You claim that you want to get a knife and carry one, which means you currently do not own and carry a pocketknife. That makes you the noob of noobs, and you should be reading and learning instead of trolling and complaining about the rules, assuming there's any truth to your words.
 
pertinux said:
An observation:

Given your reception in that subforum, others' take on the same and proffered advice, and your ongiong confusion here in this thread, the above statement (bold is mine) suggests a perspective that will leave you at cross-purposes with yours and others' actual enjoyment should you continue to participate in W&C.

~ P.
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Splendid and eloquent, Sarah, I'm impressed! :thumbup:

Klein Helmer (in New Courier font said:
I don't clack wooden practice swords with kid gloves, I only go live steel.
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Qfp...,lol

Locutus D'Borg said:
Many of us pay for higher membership levels to financially support the blade forum community, not to view porn.
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benchwarmer380 said:
With that being said, for me the best way to handle W&C is to browse at the boobies, laugh, and if you have something to say talk about the content being discussed or shown not at whoever is doing the talking.
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To each his own.
One of the more remarkable qualities of BF is it's ability to serve all of the varied members of the community of knife afficionados;
from men and women to boys and girls, from family members to Service members, as well as to Gentlemen of all walks, from all around and in between.

Rat Finkenstein said:
That makes you the noob of noobs, and you should be reading and learning instead of trolling and complaining about the rules, assuming there's any truth to your words.
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I find the the likelyhood of sincerity on the OP's part suspect.
OTOH, From a Tech support perspective, I think this will be a good learning experience for everyone involved.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
You claim that you want to get a knife and carry one, which means you currently do not own and carry a pocketknife. That makes you the noob of noobs, and you should be reading and learning instead of trolling and complaining about the rules, assuming there's any truth to your words.
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With regard to knives, I am the noob of noobs, I've made no secret of it. I have been devouring the information on the knife sections of the forum, and respectfully joining the discussion by humbly asking questions and actively thanking those who provide answers.

I am neither trolling nor complaining about the rules. I was initially asking for the rules to be clarified, and when they were not, I asserted that I wished the rules were actually binding.
 
Maniacal Pete said:
Splendid and eloquent, Sarah, I'm impressed! :thumbup:



Qfp...,lol





To each his own.
One of the more remarkable qualities of BF is it's ability to serve all of the varied members of the community of knife afficionados;
from men and women to boys and girls, from family members to Service members, as well as to Gentlemen of all walks, from all around and in between.



I find the the likelyhood of sincerity on the OP's part suspect.
OTOH, From a Tech support perspective, I think this will be a good learning experience for everyone involved.
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Of course I am being sincere.

If I weren't legitimately concerned I would be having a laugh back in the W&C section.
 
It seems that this is a case of expressed pedantry. Is it necessary from any reasonable perspective, to figuratively beat a long dead horse? No, not at all. This persistence for insight is a fruitless endeavor when you have all the information you require already delivered to you. Whether you know how to or not interpret that information is a purely personal problem, and I sincerely doubt anyone here will be able to lend assistance to such a quandary.
 
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