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A quest for my ideal Stockman

Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by CraigTbone, Mar 23, 2019.

  1. CraigTbone

    CraigTbone

    17
    Mar 4, 2019
    I have carried a pocket knife since about 4th grade, 50 some years ago. My first is a little jack that I bought from Sears. That is my letter opener at my desk.

    After a number of different knives over the years I am liking the Stockman pattern for EDC.

    Case has an amazing variety of Stockman patterns. I like the rounded ends as a more pocket friendly shape and nicer on the hands. The clip blade where the nail nick is farther out on the blade than the clip break point on the back edge (is that a muskrat blade?) does not look right to me, looks fragile. Case has both clip blade styles (conventional with the nail nick inboard of the clip and muskrat). I bought two Case Stockman knives, one with rounded ends & muskrat clip, and one with squared ends & conventional clip.

    Then I found a Case with rounded ends & conventional clip. When I received it I was surprised to see that the sheepfoot and spey blades do not share a common spring but each have their own spring on different layers. With all other Stockman knives that I have seen, those two blades are angled so they fit into the same layer and use the same spring. This Case has thinner blades and they are not angled.

    I am also surprised that the spring strength on these two separate narrower springs seems to be greater than the wider single springs on other Stockman.

    I guess I am just curious about what is known about those two configurations. Historical background? Is that a Case only configuration? Are there any good or bad aspects of either configuration?
     
  2. SVTFreak

    SVTFreak Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 8, 2011
    Welcome, fellow stockman lover!

    I cant help much with you, but I can sympathize. I too have specific tastes in stockman patterns and how the blades fit.

    I can tell you that spring strength isn't affected by the width, but also the thickness of it. So a narrow spring can be stiffer than the wider ones if it is thicker (does that make sense?). When they share a spring, the blades are often "crinked" to nest in. Some custom makers grind them offset to fit which looks nice also. 3 spring variants have more room and don't need the crinking but are thicker.
     
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  3. black mamba

    black mamba Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 21, 2009
    I believe the three blades on three springs is a newer pattern, as it doesn't require as much hand fitting and krinking (bending) of the blades to fit past each other without rubbing. Three spring knives are a little thicker, but have straight blades, so both patterns have their proponents. I know that Case, Buck and GEC have all made three spring knives. Finding a knife with the spring tension, pull weight and snap, that you prefer may take some trial and error, as even knives within the same pattern differ. The third blade can also differ from spey to pen to punch to pen clip.
     
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  4. gaj999

    gaj999

    757
    Jan 25, 2004
    I like a good Cattle knife. Same blades, cigar pattern.
     
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  5. black mamba

    black mamba Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 21, 2009
    Some pics of more unusual examples:

    S&M 4" round bolster stockman with pen clip third blade
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    Camillus 4" with serrated sheepfoot
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    Northfield Dixie 4¼" with Wharncliffe instead of sheepfoot
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    Simmons Hornet 3½" with pen third blade
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    Krinked vs. Offset (both with only two springs)
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  6. jmh33

    jmh33 Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 16, 2003
    BUCK 301 in the rfp..:thumbsup:
    John
     
  7. tongueriver

    tongueriver Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 28, 2007
    Knice selection of stockmen (stockmans?)(stockpersons?). Jeff!
     
  8. jstrange

    jstrange

    Mar 31, 2012
    Anyone which exact model from Case has the three springs?
     
  9. black mamba

    black mamba Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 21, 2009
    Thanks, Cal! Jstrange, I know the newer #47 patterns have three springs, as this one in Damascus from 2014.

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  10. jwb01

    jwb01 Gold Member Gold Member

    689
    Dec 6, 2016
    Actually it is just the modern 47 pattern. I have some 47’s from the 70’s that are two spring configuration with crinked blades , I’m not sure when they added the third spring but I have quite a few of the three spring versions. The overall thickness seems pretty close to the two spring version but the blades are all much thinner, they are great slicers!
    I am a fan of both versions, at 3.875” closed and rounded bolsters they ride in my watch pocket nicely and fill my hand well.
     
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  11. jwb01

    jwb01 Gold Member Gold Member

    689
    Dec 6, 2016
    That’s a beaut!
     
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  12. black mamba

    black mamba Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 21, 2009
    Thanks, Josh, I like it a lot myself!
     
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  13. Hickory n steel

    Hickory n steel

    Feb 11, 2016
    I really like the strait spey on that #47, humpback spey blades are a real turnoff for me.
    I think my ideal stockman would be on the same frame as the mini Texas jack, with offset blades, a sheep's foot that's not sitting really high, and anything but a humpback spey.
     
  14. CraigTbone

    CraigTbone

    17
    Mar 4, 2019
    I believe the model number that I purchased is #00128. The sheepfoot blade has "6347" engraved on it.

    My order was placed about 2 weeks ago. Today it shows out of stock.
     
  15. Modoc ED

    Modoc ED Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 28, 2010
    Case retooled some of their patterns in the mid-eighties and mid-nineties. One of the knives they retooled was their 47 pattern in the mid 1990s where they utilized a 3rd spring. Here are a couple of 47 stockman with rounded bolsters. Both knives are 3 7/8".

    1940 - 1964 CV 6347 with dark red jigged bone covers (2-spring)

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    2015 SS 6347 with Walnut jigged bone covers - (3 spring)

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  16. TheChunk91

    TheChunk91 Basic Member Basic Member

    Aug 15, 2013
    I know what my ideal/favorite stockman is...

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    Don't have one yet, but I will.


    I do have it's functional equivalent.

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  17. black mamba

    black mamba Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 21, 2009
    This might be mine, although there are SO many in the running. 1993 Schatt & Morgan gunstock stockman, 4.3" closed, Winterbottom bone,
    well heat-treated stainless steel, with pen third blade. Takes a screaming edge and has magnum walk & talk with 6-7 pulls and gator snap.

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  18. TheChunk91

    TheChunk91 Basic Member Basic Member

    Aug 15, 2013
    A stunning knife Jeff. That one looks good in all ways.
     
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  19. black mamba

    black mamba Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 21, 2009
    Thanks, Paul T.!
     
  20. PointyThings

    PointyThings Gold Member Gold Member

    34
    Jan 10, 2004
    The 6347 was my first Case knife. 7-dot 1970 with red bone handles and nickle silver liners. Carried it for all of 10 minutes before I put it away for safe keeping. Still have it--along with many '47 siblings.

    I was shocked when I picked up a new one in 1993 with 3 backsprings. I think that was a low point for me and the '47 pattern. I was upset enough about it that I wrote a long letter to the production manager Bob Scudder at Case just after they were bought by Zippo. Actually received a phone call from Bob and we had a great discussion about some of the plans Zippo had for Case.

    Not trying to drive traffic away from Blade Forums, but I posted the letter here on All About Pocket Knives about 10 years ago.
     

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