Axe? Please educate me

Discussion in 'Carothers Performance Knives' started by Nathan the Machinist, Aug 22, 2020.

  1. ronnie hood

    ronnie hood

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    Mar 12, 2018
    The fun starts when the screws get threaded.
    This one is the hell-ko
     
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  2. Winston_Smith

    Winston_Smith Gold Member Gold Member

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    Oct 18, 2019
    Amen, +1

    Winston
     
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  3. TRfromMT

    TRfromMT Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    Fun fact - Helko presented the idea to the bigwig muckety-mucks at IKEA.
    Even IKEA said:



    Except it sounded like "Wertdufook", and that is actually what they call it to this day.
     
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  4. bluemax_1

    bluemax_1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 17, 2014
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  5. folder geek

    folder geek Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jan 28, 2012
    I don't know didly about axes.
    I do know that if CPK were to produce an axe I would almost definitely buy one.
    What I'd like to see is a hatchet/hawk style.
    Lets say a 1.5 lb head with a hammer poll. Haft appx 17 inches, wood preferably.
    Something easy to pack, use around the campfire and tent site. Able to split small rounds, separate small limbs and be wood crafty.
    Not looking to chop down trees or split cords or wood.
    Regardless I will be watching closely and hope this proceeds further.
    Cheers
     
  6. Elgatodeacero

    Elgatodeacero Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 5, 2014
    I feel axes fall into three categories. Hatchets, midsize axes, and full size choppers or splitters.

    I think you should forget about a splitting maul, others have perfected that and it is a brute force tool that uses a very large V shaped head and gravity to do the work.

    I believe you would be best off designing and building a hatchet (head around 1.25 lb. and handle about 12-14 inches). Using the experience to build a midsize axe (head around 2.5 lbs and handle about 20 inches), and then later doing a large chopper (4 lb pound head and handle 26-30 inches or so).

    The best way to learn is to use, so I would suggest getting a Fiskars X7, a Gransfors Bruks Wildlife Hatchet, and a Hans Karlsson carving hatchet. If you handle and use these three specimens you will experience the effect of 3 very different approaches to head geometry, blade grind, and handle shape. The small size of a hatchet head, and the short handle, will make success much simpler to achieve.

    Once CPK has designed and built a run of CPK Super Hatchets, you can focus on a midsize axe for campfire chores and hunting.

    I think CPK should stay away from a large chopper due to cost and smaller market.

    My favorite hatchets are the Hans Karlsson carving hatchet, with the GB Wildlife a close second.

    I like the GB Scandinavian Forest Axe for a midsize all rounder (I also have a GB Small Forest Axe and the handle is just too short).

    I don’t really use large axes because a I don’t heat a home or shop with wood, so others will need to chime in on a big boy.

    An axe is not a hammer, so I don’t think the design should contemplate using the poll as a hammer. The eye must be quite a bit softer than the edge to be a durable tool. You really should design any hatchet or axe around a standard handle size and eye shape so replacements are easy (see GB handles and House Handle).
     
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  7. Murphjd25

    Murphjd25 Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 27, 2016
    I really think this needs to be done with something other then D3V. The price is going to have to be right on these guys...lots of good competition out there for good prices...you know what I mean. I love my CPK but you know..not sure I’d be willing to spend more then $150 on a good smaller splitting axe, or even a full size axe. I beat the sh*t out of my axes and definitely do not treat them like a knife. Sorry if I’m being a Debbie Downer.
     
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  8. ronnie hood

    ronnie hood

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    Mar 12, 2018
    Id expect the autine pricepoint debbie
     
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  9. donscpoo

    donscpoo Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 11, 2013
    Probably a bearded full tang hatchet to start with in D3V. This can be an all purpose tool for cutting and chopping. One can choke up and use it like a knife too.

    The full tang design gives us options to select our favorite handle material too. The poll should be hardened so it can be used as a hammer ;)

    The weight of the head and geometry will have to go through some extensive testing to find the right balance.

    This is my favorite LH bearded hatchet.

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  10. Brian77

    Brian77 Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 27, 2014
    exactly hmmmm
     
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  11. Worldwatcher

    Worldwatcher Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 19, 2015
    My reading comprehension was apparently hindered the other day when I bought the ray mears! Was expecting the wilderness and ended up with the sfa branded ray mears, entirely my fault as the message I received clearly said sfa:). Found a new council woodcraft pack axe for a great price so I snagged that too. Anyone use this axe? These will have to do till the cpa comes to fruition.
     
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  12. JustinFournier

    JustinFournier Gold Member Gold Member

    May 7, 2012
    I think we should consider the name Copperhead for the axe, in honor of the baby snake that due to misadventure tragically lost it’s life today.
     
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  13. TRfromMT

    TRfromMT Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    Maybe Severance

    Nah, Copperhead for the win.
     
  14. ronnie hood

    ronnie hood

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    Mar 12, 2018
    Yes.
    Happens to be the ax I have to repair the edge the most.
    Need to convex it :rolleyes:
     
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  15. Worldwatcher

    Worldwatcher Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 19, 2015
    Ugh... I was hoping they had fixed that issue with their heat treat by now.
     
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  16. ronnie hood

    ronnie hood

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    Mar 12, 2018
    More to do with the flat grind than ht
     
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  17. fonedork

    fonedork Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jul 7, 2011
    I like this video cause he shows how to sharpen an axe in it. I used it as a reference and it resulted in an edge that to me seems pretty convex. Also, that axe is cool, but I gave mine to my dad after I sharpened it. Then he chopped his leg with it. Down in Florida. He’s ok now though.

     
  18. marchone

    marchone Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 13, 2013
    His saliva was gnarly.
     
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  19. fonedork

    fonedork Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jul 7, 2011
    Haha I even copied that spit on the stone technique too
     
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  20. marchone

    marchone Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 13, 2013
    He didn’t just spit. He hocked one up.
     
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