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Bad Chris Martin AKA Phantom Steelworks!

Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by mquez, May 11, 2017.

  1. slyraven

    slyraven

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    Feb 19, 2019
    Well aside from all that, start a gofundme to raise funds for small claims. I feel for all of you and want you to get some relief.
     
  2. Loops

    Loops

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    Jul 8, 2017
    I'm not going to ask anyone to pay for my mistake. I've pretty much given up on getting my money back. I will not throw good money after bad with the small hope of winning a case against Chris. I doubt he could pay my back even if I did win the case.
     
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  3. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    Even if the USPS cares, the Postal Inspectors are a small service [I am near Cleveland. The nearest PIs are in Pittsburg.) focusing what time they have on the drug plague that is killing tens of thousands in the US (about 1/8 of the tobacco deaths and 1/4 of the alcohol deaths).

    A failure to keep a promise - breach of contract - or failure to pay a debt is a civil matter ( sue in a court with jurisdiction over the person; win a judgment; locate assets (if any exist); transfer judgment to jurisdiction where those assets are located if different from that rendering judgment; execute on those assets; repeat as needed), not robbery or any other crime.

    There is no imprisonment for debt in the U.S. except for failure to pay taxes or child support.

    For criminal prosecution you need a prosecutor who gives a damn and evidence of original intent by the defendant not to keep the promise. A pattern or practice of welshing is such evidence. In each state, a given amount at stake determines if the alleged crime is a felony or a misdemeanor. Federal mail fraud (use of US mails as any part of scheme to defraud) or wire fraud (use of internet or telephones to defraud) is a felony with penalties of up to 30 years in prison per offense..
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud

    Criminal prosecution rarely gets the victim a penny.
     
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  4. katanas

    katanas

    Jan 6, 2012
    The time involved in getting it pursued can cost the victim MANY pennies. ;) One must evaluate how much the effort is worth.
     
  5. Loops

    Loops

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    Jul 8, 2017
    Yeah I'm not in a financial position where I can pursue a legal solution to this shit show. I wish I was!
     
  6. C_Money

    C_Money

    5
    Mar 8, 2009
    I have been following this since Chris ghosted me about a year and a half ago with a Delirium I paid $1,650 for... I would text him off and on for the last year and a half and he would reply but for the last year he hasn't... Until the other day... I hit him up and asked very nicely for the knife which only needed a pocket clip. He replied and said it would be done in a week. This was last month. Fast forward to yesterday where he sent me a picture of it completed and a tracking number. It should be here tomorrow. I truly believe he is trying to make it right. I will let you know when I get the knife but he is trying to fix all of this I am sure.
     
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  7. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    i guess that depends on what "right" means.
     
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  8. Loops

    Loops

    164
    Jul 8, 2017
    You're very lucky. I've lost hope that he'll make it right for me. Good for you though!
     
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  9. Undefeatable

    Undefeatable Gold Member Gold Member

    323
    Feb 28, 2015
    I hope you are right and he does make things "right" with you. Just like Loops, I have zero expectations of anything coming, money or knife. He sent me a few videos and pictures of my "build" after a few months after my deposit. We can see where that ended up. The pictures, videos, his word, etc... are all BS unless there is something in my PayPal account or hands.
     
  10. C_Money

    C_Money

    5
    Mar 8, 2009
    Received today.. not sure how to post pics on here as I am just on my iPhone.
     
  11. Loops

    Loops

    164
    Jul 8, 2017
    Congratulations!

    Maybe I should email him...
     
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  12. myemptymind

    myemptymind

    419
    Oct 5, 2012
    Yeah I’d try emailing. I did twice and got a response twice just a few days ago. He says ill be getting my knife soon.
    Ive heard that before but this email seemed positive. All I can do is hope for the best outcome.
     
  13. Loops

    Loops

    164
    Jul 8, 2017
    I've given up. Nothing works. Chris is a thief and he's gotten away with it. I can't afford legal action. So he wins
     
  14. Loops

    Loops

    164
    Jul 8, 2017
    You'll get a rude awakening soon. I've been emailing him for 3 years. He doesn't care. You'll get the same treatment eventually.
     
  15. NWPilgrim

    NWPilgrim

    112
    Aug 1, 2019
    Loops, one avenue you might try is to write to the Attorney General, Consumers Affairs. I had a breach of contract issue with a small business and called them. They sent the individual a letter of warning on AG letterhead of impending action. I got a call 8am the next morning wondering when would it be convenient for me for them to deliver my goods. Cost nothing and you have a State paid lawyer working for you.
     
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  16. Loops

    Loops

    164
    Jul 8, 2017
    Hmmm, I'll give that a try. Thanks.

    Problem is I have no idea where he is now.
     
  17. AntDog

    AntDog Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 3, 2001
    I bet they can find him... Give it a shot.
     
  18. Loops

    Loops

    164
    Jul 8, 2017
    Alright
     
  19. Loops

    Loops

    164
    Jul 8, 2017
    So, I did contact my local consumer affairs office. They can't do much for an out of state transaction. However they gave me some options, 1. Contact the consumer affairs in his state (However he's moved recently) so I don't think AZ can help as he's moved to OK), 2. Contact local law enforcement (I tried that a year or so ago, they were happy to go see him BUT I had to be there in person, I couldn't), 3. Contact the FTC and file a complaint (This is what I ended up doing), 4. Contact the FBI through their Internet Crimes Complaint Center (IC3) (I would LOVE to do that but all the information they require I don't have).

    Y'all are welcome to file too:
    https://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
    https://www.ftc.gov/
     
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  20. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    The FTC has jurisdiction over consumer fraud but shows zero interest in "small" cases. They acknowledged my complaint and assigned it a case number - on 01/10/2018. Not a word since.
     

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