Designated Political Arena constructive criticism & suggestions for improvements thread

Discussion in 'Tech Support, General Q&A, Site Feedback & More' started by Spark, Jan 11, 2021.

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  1. Planterz

    Planterz Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 26, 2004
    Well, as I'm sure you know, that's the reason that forum (and W&C) exist; to funnel that kind of discussion away from the areas where it's not wanted.

    I don't want the PA shut down, for the reason I just mentioned. It does just fine in that regard.
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  2. Seth Green

    Seth Green Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 6, 2013
    If you don't want to read posts in the political forum, don't click on the thread. Easy! If you can't control yourself, put the guys that are active in that forum on ignore. Problem solved. We don't need more rules or oversight. Just be an adult
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  3. marchone

    marchone Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 13, 2013
    I haven't logged on since early yesterday. Boy, what a ruckus.

    I am in favor of taking the PA threads off the Home Page. I can't prove it, but I suspect I was shunned by a knifemaker here because of my participation.
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  4. Nixelplix


    Mar 26, 2003
    I'm not paying another dime to this site it doesn't matter. Do what you want.
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  5. Insipid Moniker

    Insipid Moniker

    Feb 28, 2011
    I have the 'No Politics' membership right now. I highly recommend it.
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  6. not2sharp

    not2sharp Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 29, 1999
    If we get shut down it is not going to be because of some lame post in a particular forum. It would be simply because they do not have 100% control over our site.

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  7. Wasty

    Wasty Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 3, 2015
    I don't want to see BF impaired or taken down due to the overheated politic division in your country. I read regularly and participate sometimes in the PA, however as I am from Germany, it's more to see how deep the waters are there.
    Now as the discussion and scrutiny over your 1st amendment is heightened, I would actually take the step and remove the PA from being seen, same as W&C. It is biased towards conservative views, and the moderators are so as well.
    This does not come as a surprise, but even without first language skills, you can see much hatred there.

    This Forum is a wonderful place for people that love knives and I truly appreciate it.

    I also wholeheartedly agree that the PA keeps the other threads clean of politics and is a needed outlet. So don't get rid of it, just make it less conspicuous.
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  8. fonedork

    fonedork Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jul 7, 2011
    Used to be a way to convey your freedom
    Now it’s just a way to display your demons
  9. Nixelplix


    Mar 26, 2003
  10. Insipid Moniker

    Insipid Moniker

    Feb 28, 2011
    A more serious suggestion, as @Casinostocks pointed out, requiring members to pay for an upgraded membership not to see PA is pretty unlikely to achieve much. That said, you could very easily reverse that and have a specific membership in order to access the PA or to talk politics. The PA is already restricted to paying members, as a non-paying member I don't see it at all. Allowing members to but into the PA rather than buy out of it, particularly when simply not having a paying membership already makes it disappear, seems like it might be a solution that would go over better.
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  11. Steven65

    Steven65 Traditional Hog Platinum Member

    Mar 11, 2008
    Spark would it be possible to place the whole of the PA in a private closed group sub-forum requiring moderator permission to join?

    That way posts would not be seen by regular members and those who want to participate in the PA can do so in private with moderator oversight after agreeing to the PA forum rules and conditions. Members who break the PA rules are simply removed from the group.

    As I have said in the past Bladeforums is very important to me and so many of us who are alone and living through really crappy times. It would be tragic for me and so many to have something happen to our little corner of the net.

    Thank you for all you do and your proactive response to this.
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  12. RoyalHolic

    RoyalHolic Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 3, 2019
    Another forum I visit had a NSFW thread that was password protected, I wonder if that could be a route? If you buy a gold membership with access to PA you get the password.
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  13. lieferung

    lieferung Basic Member Basic Member

    May 24, 2016
    That's essentially how it is now, save that the forum posts show up on the new posts page.

    Edit: :rolleyes:
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2021
  14. Steven65

    Steven65 Traditional Hog Platinum Member

    Mar 11, 2008
    No it is not.

    At the moment paying members can simply click on the PA forum and read and post.
    My suggestion is to take the forum completely private and only allow access to members who request it, after approval by a PA moderator and after agreeing to the special terms and conditions of the PA forum.
    That way the PA forum becomes a closed private space but member can request admittance.
  15. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007

    Yes but that might be counterproductive here.

    I generally request new customers who are interested in buying our product to join Bladeforums and participate in a sale here. This helps us keep up with things, and it also helps maintain the size and quality of our membership here. But drawing attention to our political forum posts when a chunk of the conversation there are conspiracies and nut jobs can alienate a significant chunk of the "regular normal not insane" folks who I try to introduce to BF.

    The argument "boohoo for the woke fragile flowers who simply can't help themselves but to read something that offends them or those who can't tolerate the existence of this discussion" ignores the fact that a new member coming to this forum for the first time is going to see PA posts right there in the feed and a lot of it is stupendous nonsense that makes all of us dumber by association. A person coming here for the first time could easily get the impression "oh, it's one of those nut-ball sites".

    A lot of the PA is not high quality rational discussion between respectful adults. A good size chunk of it is childish fantasy and echo chamber BS that, in my opinion, should be hidden from view.
  16. HJK

    HJK Moderator Moderator

    Jun 30, 1999
    Who exactly was the Mod that "you caught lying about his professional life", Willie?
    If you claim that's me you are a damned liar.
    Also, your claim about peer reviewed journals being dismissed is garbage since you never have answered or refuted or even understood a single scientific proposition that was challenged, and there were many peer reviewed articles cited against you
    Yours are nothing but sour grapes because you "volunteered to be a Mod" and were refused and were refuted time and time again as to the substance or lack thereof of your comments.

    I am not abusive or biased to the leftist members of this board because of their views and I stand by that and the honest members can confirm it even from numerous inteventions and conversations recently.

    I don't do ad hominems, but I won't sit by for lies and defamation.
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  17. Willie71

    Willie71 Warren J. Krywko. Part Time Knifemaker Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 23, 2013
    I’m not fucking with you. QM supported his attitudes policing blacks with links from those sites.

    Secondly, fascism is far right on the political spectrum. Authoritarian version of anachro capitalism. Mussolini style fascism, not german style fascism. There is a difference. You would think the mods in political (not you, I’m referring to them) would know this.

    My family left germany to get away from naziism after WWII. My grandfather was a POW. I take this personally too.

    if my statements are so out of line, why did I get 25+ likes for my posts? How many people are saying the same thing as me? If it was just one or two people feeling this way, you could dismiss us.

    I owned my sassing the mods.

    I’m bowing out of this discussiom
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  18. Boru13

    Boru13 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Apr 25, 2000
    This thread is for constructive criticism and improvements, it is not for taking cheap shots at members or Moderators.

    Consider this a first and last warning.
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  19. Norcaldude

    Norcaldude Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 19, 2014
    I don't believe I am alone in thinking that the mods in the PA are a big part of the problem there and this thread is for constructive criticism of the PA.
    I know you are saying "Don't take cheap shots at the mods" so I'm guessing that "constructive" shots at the mods would be ok, but the difference between those two seems like it could be pretty subjective, which makes your warning here a bit of a damper for people that might come here to express their opinions on this matter.
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  20. Willie71

    Willie71 Warren J. Krywko. Part Time Knifemaker Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 23, 2013

    You did defend me from the personal attacks on many occasions. I fully acknowledge that. There were other issues I won’t go in to. I said my piece. Others have too. I wasn’t going to respond again, but did want to acknowledge that you did actually defend me there, in spite of our differences. As an aside, regarding citations, do you not remember the numerous links to scientific journals I posted? Neither here nor there, but just sayin’.
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