Dutch - Oregon Trail

Agent_H,the boiling and bending is normally done sometime before the final sizing,just in case of some outside grain separating,or lifting,or other such potential losses to the outside of the piece.

An ideal,naturally,would be a cleft piece,avoiding any possibility of short grain,and after hot-shaping finished to it's final dimentions.

A friend next door has a big(8+lbs,as i remember)American style broad-axe,all original as it wa in the 1800's or thereabouts...It's haft was shaped flat towards the head,and the bend was short,pretty radical,and even brutal.Some breakage of fibers,may've been done cold,or not hot enough....But,all these years,the thing hangs on and on(in occasional use anymore).

(Yet another thing i really like about that particular axe i the Godawfullest welds of it's construction.It actually makes my forgewelding look good!(it's built out of 5 different chunks,box-like,+ the steel edge).It just goes to show that it's the elegance of Design,the Thought made Manifest:),not necessarily the neatest,most finished-looking execution.The Substance vs the Form:)
 
Agent_H said:
Didn't want to pry but ever since you mentioned it, I have been wanting to see what you come up with 300six. :thumbsup:
I am a fan of the Octagon as well.
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It's coming, it's coming. Problem with everyone proudly displaying their latest hangs is it 'raises the bar' about public display/presentation. In the past I never bothered about perfect alignment, having handles finished 'baby's bum smooth' or scratch/scuff free. I started off with a proverbial 'caveman's club' (a maul handle that was oversized, even for a maul) that weighed 2 1/2 pounds and have managed to pare it down to 1 1/4 lb. Belt sanders and all that powered stuff are too darn quick (boy, you can screw up in a hurry) so there's been considerable rasp, file and hand sanding done after the initial roughing.
 
The “Flying Dutchmen”. These two axes arrived from The Netherlands last night. The wrapped stack is a dozen Cherry wood grilling planks. I’ve found that they make easy and nice looking wedges for tools - they are nice especially for double axes that need longer ones to begin with. Making a couple of posts due to the number of pictures.

FlyingDutchmen by Agent Hierarchy, on Flickr

FlyingDutchmen by Agent Hierarchy, on Flickr
 
Kevin Houtzager said:
markings:
First one: Yggdrasil. The Life tree
Second one: The 3 worlds connected with Yggdrasil: Asgard (heaven) ,Midgard (earth) and Niflheim (Hel)
Third one: Christian cross mixed in with norse pagan symbols, indicating the mix between the 2.
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I couldn’t remember where I screenshot the 1938 Josef Bratmann catalog pages from but I think this was the trail: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/old-european-axes.1351140/
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On rusknife it was @Turbo4x4 who posted them and then Mr. Jake Pogg who linked it here in reference to the axe in the above thread:
jake pogg said:
Thanks yet again for such a scholarly view(i think that the study of axes is in dire need of just such a careful and informed analysis).

Alas,i lack any sufficiency of a historical background to form a generalised view on any of it.My interest stems from more practical,hands-on processes(trying to explore some of these shapes by forging them).

I seem to (also lack the right to post images here,so will go about it this way(i'll try to clean it up later).Here's a link to a russian-language resourse,where a scan of an old Josef Bratmann catalog is posted http://rusknife.com/topic/18369-немецкие-топоры-типология/


(Post # 15)


Again,sorry to go about it that way,but,in the scan you'll see an axe fairly similar,with that characteristic recess.What's interesting to me,as a smith,are a few other axes on that same page,where that recess is indicated by a couple of indents...It is actually how one would go about forging in such an indent,and may well be a trace of that specific feature either coming,or going...

(for whatever such info is worth...)

Best regards,Jake
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Kevin Houtzager said:
Holy S%^&. Thats a lot of translating to do! Well here goes. BTW, its Not from Luxemburg, Looks to much like german, so its probably Austrian like the Terminator/Governator/Totonator ;) Please let someone put this somewhere safe, because I wont be doing this again and will be only english translation out there most likely! I will update it in the future because this will take hours!

Some background info: It was an Austrian born Ukranian manufacturer from early 1900's until ???? Since there is a 1930 on one of the axes, its most likely from a little after that. Its base was here: https://www.google.nl/maps/place/Ko...029c5463ce7a49c!8m2!3d48.0514686!4d24.0616957

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401 Handhacke = Handaxe (kollerhacke = Kitchenaxe)
402 Handhacke = Handaxe (aufsatzhacke = Outdoor axe)
403 Asthacke = ????(Steirische= Southeastern Part of Austria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Styria)
404 Hotzhacke = Wood Axe (Deutsche = German)
405 Flösserhacke mit Nagelloch = Carpentersaxe or Carpentershatcher with nailpuller
406 Splathacke = Splitting axe (keilhacke = Splitting axe)
407 Hotzhacke = Wood Axe (Krainer = Part of slovenia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carniola) 1/2 geschliffen = Half sharpenend (which means 1 sided)
408 Wagnerstockhacke = Wielbarrowaxe/Wagoners Axe
206 Breite Siebenburghacke = Transylvania Broadaxe, part of Romania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvania
412 Hotzhacke = Wood Axe (Cernowitzer = Part of The Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernivtsi
414 Tarnower Handhacke = Tarnow handaxe, Town/region in germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnow,_Germany ohne nagelsieher = Without nailpuller
415 Tarnower Handhacke = Tarnow handaxe, Town/region in germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnow,_Germany mit nagelsieher = With nailpuller
414a Spitaler Form = Special pattern, which is to mean a variant
415a Tarnower Handhacke Spitaler Form = Tarnow handaxe Special pattern which is to mean a variant, Town/region in germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnow,_Germany mit Nagelschlitz = With Nailpuller
417 Deutsche Holzhacke = German Woodaxe , mit nagelschere = With nailcutter
418 Breite Romanischer hacke= Romanian broadaxe, Focsaner = place in Romania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focșani
416 Krakauer handhacke = Krakau pattern handaxe Tricky one, could be polish Krakow : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraków or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakau I Think the Latter
419 Bulgarische Holzhacke = Bulgarian Woodaxe
420 Bohm Holzhacke = Bohemian Woodaxe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia
422 Zigeuner Hacke = Gipsey Axe
425 Ungarische Holzhacke = Hungarian Woodaxe
426 Ungarische Holzhacke = Hungarian Woodaxe
428 Przemsyler = Place in Poland, so Polish pattern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przemyśl
X Przemsyler Spitaler form= Place in Poland, so Polish pattern https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przemyśl special pattern, which means a variant
429 Bulgarische Waldhacke = Bulgarian Forrest axe
432 Rumanische = Romanian

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435 Slavonische Kiebhacke, halb geschliffen = Slavonian Splitting axe, sided https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavonia
436 X
437 Siebenb. Kleibhacke half geschliffen= Transylvanian splitting axe, one sided https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvania
438 X
471a Marmaroser hacke = Marmaris axe, part of Turkey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmaris . Why Turkey, because of the Kievan Rus influence.
488 Gebirgshacke = Mountain axe
439 Slavonische Holzhacke half geschliffen = Slavonian Woodaxe one sided
441 Bistritzer = Bistria, but could be Romanian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bistrița or Czech republic : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bistritz
442 Jassyer = Part of Romania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iași
456 Debrecziner = Part of Hungary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debrecen
457 Debrecziner = Part of Hungary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debrecen
458 Debrecziner handhacke = Handaxe Part of Hungary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debrecen
459 Debrecziner handhacke = Handaxe Part of Hungary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debrecen
469 Ungarische hacke = Hungarian axe
470 Kecskemeter = part of Hungary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kecskemét
471 Marmaroser = part of Turkey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmaris .
1431 Gruben pattern axe https://www.google.nl/maps/place/99...:0x8db948409d6cf309!8m2!3d47.04673!4d12.51317
1432 X
1435 Ostraurer Grubenhacke = Austrian Gruben pattern axe https://www.google.nl/maps/place/99...:0x8db948409d6cf309!8m2!3d47.04673!4d12.51317
1436 X
1437 trainhacke = Part of Germany https://www.google.nl/maps/place/Tr...ed50bf893348ed3!8m2!3d48.7303689!4d11.8301248
472 Schutzner, breit = Region around austrian czech border, broad
473 Neusohler deckhacke met naggelloch und reif = part of slovenia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banská_Bystrica cratings axe with nailpuller
474 Liptauer = region in Slovakia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liptov
1930 (most like model year of introduction/fashion)
475 Klaussesburger Zimmermanshacke = Part of Romania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluj-Napoca Carpenters axe

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476
477
478
479
480
481
482
483
484
485
486
2183 X
2188
490
491
Neutitscheiner = new models
487
2235
2236
2237
2189

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Beile Und Spanhacken = Axes and Broadaxes
445 X
446 Russische =Russian
447 X
448 Stanslauer Kolomeaer = Part of the Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivano-Frankivsk
449 Czernowitzer = = Part of The Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernivtsi
450 Storoznetzer = Part of Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storozhynets
451 X
452 X
Spanhacken = Broadaxes
453 Kroatische = Croatia
454 Slavonische = Part op Croatoa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavonia
455 Ungarische = Hungarian
Binderbeil = Dowelaxe
Tischlerbeil = Furniture axe/ table axe
461 Binderwaldhacke = ????
462 Plankac = Just a guess = Plank axe
492 Plankac = Just a guess = Plank axe
465 Sprenghacke = Crack axe ?
1950 Gestutstes beil = Truncated axe
493 Manarinhacke = ????

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409 Bandhacke = No real translation: But its used to make indentations in the wood to make stiff connections with one another
467 Querhacke =
466 Stosshacke =
413 Breite handhacke mit hammer und nagelloch = Broad handaxe with hammer and nailpuller
413a Oberlander handhacke = Highland/Mountain handaxe
413b Umg. Handhacke mit Schlitz on nagelloch = Colloquial handaxe with 2 nail pullers
460 Zimmermans Breitbijl = Carpenters Broadaxe
1750 Fliescherbeil = Butchers axe
464 Schlaghacke = Butchers axe for cows, to bludgion them to death
1655 Bieghacke = Butchers axe for pigs, to bludgion them to death
463 Schrotstumpf= Cleaver
397 Zuckermesser = Sugarbeet knife
398 Hackmesser = cleaver knife
399 Hackmesser = cleaver knife
400 Hackmesser = cleaver knife

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Kuchenhacken = Kitchen axes
1818 (most like model year of introduction/fashion)
1830 (most like model year of introduction/fashion)
1831 (most like model year of introduction/fashion)
1864 (most like model year of introduction/fashion)
1865 (most like model year of introduction/fashion)
Feuerwehr-beile = Firemans axes
514 Spitzbeil = Point axe
515 Spitzbeil = Point axe
516 Spitzbeil = Point axe
517 Hammerbeil = Hammer axe
518 Beilpicke = Pickaxe
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Let me say...Holy #*+@!!!!
and thank you!
I may not have an axe yet from Europe but this is incredible to have available as a resource and simply a great and informative list so accurately and specifically listed.

Impressive work, thank you Kevin
 
Wow, Kevin. You got serious about that!
That is valuable information for more than one reason.

I would bet you are right in that there is not as solid or complete list of translations of these patterns in English as what you did up there.
Many of the patterns I have seen in pictures and online sites (foreign to us/domestic to the vendors). Some of them I assumed were worn examples of a "Common" shape. Changed my view/interest in them somewhat lol.


Thank you for doing that on an "invitation to work".:thumbsup:


Kevin Houtzager said:
Yep, freakyhuh?
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Not unless you consider the sawdust on the bench around it arranging itself in concentric circles, hearing a low murmuring male chorus that immediately disappears when you open the door, or the blade always being warm to the touch as out of the ordinary...
 
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