Guns n Khuks - "trail guns" ???

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sorry Munk, you're right, it is a 44 special.

I was thinking about a desert eagle i wanted in 41 mag
 
If you could stand the weight, there isn't much the DE in 50 Action Express couldn't take care of. Can you imagine that? Boom Boom Boom......


Always kinda wanted one. I may as well face it, like khuks, there are more models I want than I can afford to buy.



munk
 
hollowdweller said:
You didn't convince me ;)

And NO I wouldn't want to live in CA. But those people there voted in those laws. It's their right to do it I guess. Democracy.
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Sorry Hollow, I'll have to disagree with you here. A half-dozen ultra-liberal politicians from upper-middle class or upper class areas in CA voted in those laws. There was no referendum, no vote, no propositions. And it's always the same jerks writing the same bills and getting them approved year after year. Of course, they do need a majority to get approved, so in a sense you're right as it only takes a bare majority of the few legals who vote (and the many illegals who vote for the Dems who keep them safely on the Government teat) to put these socialist corrupt a$$holes into power.

Scott, Altadena; Perata, Hayward; Sen. Feinstein; between just these few of 90% of all the anti-firearms laws get passed.

At first I disagreed with you re: the population, but I think in retrospect you are correct. Heinlein used to say as much, basically that as soon as someplace gets populated enough to start micro-managing its citizens that it was time to move.

My wife and I plan on moving out of state in a few years; the housing values in Salinas have skyrocketed, more than just about anyplace else in the state, which is one of the remaining few good reasons to live here. Since January '97 our place has appreciated (as of last month) 355%. Gangs on the east side of town, and the inability of the administration to deal with them, are the problem. Other CA towns have the same problem, and the outright refusal of the Federal, (not State!) Gvernment to deal with them by cracking down on illegal immigrants and the people who hire them is one of the reasons they are thriving.

I lived in Santa Rosa in Sonoma County for 20 years, and people there never knew what the word "Gang" meant. I left in the early 90's, and now not a dozen years later they have one of the worst gang problems in the nation. The solution is simple:

Arm the citizenry.

Zero tolerance for ANY kind of gang activity.

Pass RICO laws forbidding them to assemble, congregate or socialize with each other. They did this for one year in Salinas and the results were remarkable.

And whenever possible, make their lives miserable, (if you can't exterminate them on sight which is the preferred method of dealing with them.) Refuse to serve them, refuse their business, refuse to hire them. Find reasons to kick them out of your restaurant; discriminate against them whenever possible. Why not? They're scum. When they start acting like civilized human beings instead of apes then they can be accorded the same rights the rest of us enjoy. Until then, f*&k 'em!

Regards,

Norm
 
Norm, as I said, you have to live there to believe it.

Regarding population; I agree with Hollow in this sense- as the World pop soars, if we can hold on to our firearms rights it will be a miracle. But here is where he is wrong; Calif aint there yet- there is no where near some theoretical pop density to socialize men and attribute all this bad law to. Saying it's pop numbers is a simplistic blow off of the reality of misguided do gooder-ism in action.
That's why I used the example of the Patriot Act- I don't trust all it's provisions, though approve of much of them. I think the Terror crisis was used to erode individual rights. It doesn't make it right, just as even if you could prove it was pop density in Ca. today doesn't make it right.

The big problem is a seperate nation living within Ca taking resources and making little effort to assimulate into American Society.


munk
 
Anyway I got the Beretta M100 cause it looks like the old Colt Woodsman with the skinny barrel and adjustable sights, except it's got an aluminum frame so it's even lighter. Magazines hold 9 rounds of 32 acp. I've looked for 30 years and more without ever seeing a K-32, let alone one for sale.

Hoping they get here soon, I ordered them last night, and got an e-mail this morning it was received. Watching my credit card account on line so I can see when they are sent. Another order is hanging fire for parts expected to arrive this week.
 
Canada = No handgun carry, so one of the following:

1. Ruger 10/22 with a few 30 rounders.

2. Savage 24C camper's companion O/U .22LR/20 ga

3. Remington 12 ga 870 police shorty.

If handgun was allowed, either S&W 686 or Ruger MKII.
 
munk said:
The big problem is a seperate nation living within Ca taking resources and making little effort to assimulate into American Society.


munk
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Absolutely 100% correct. These people are not Americans in the sense of our immigrant ancestors, they are Mexicans who happen to be living in America who have no interest in becoming citizens; in fact, quite the contrary.

Maybe folks on the Arizona / Texas border know what we're talking about, but most folks haven't a clue. It's not until you attend a public event where the National Anthem is played and over half the audience doesn't even stand up that you start to get an idea of the problem. Where there is no money for Fourth of July city celebrations, but Cinco de Mayo is a hugely celebrated festival. (After all, who wouldn't want to celebrate the only victory the Mexican army ever had, even if it was over _400_ years ago. Against the French! Sorry for laughing... (-:)

Take your kid to the Emergency room with a broken arm and have to wait 3 hours while every illegal in town gets FREE $700-per-hour care for his sniffles while you shell out for a huge co-pay and extra to boot in order to pay for them all. Have class sizes of 40+ with 1/3rd completely English illiterate and expecting to be taught in Spanish from Kindergarten to College, despite the scientific proof that English immersion works and is in fact far more successful than cradle to the grave bilingual programs that simply assist the student to do poorly in two languages instead of just one. Have all propositions passed overwhelmingly by the electorate banning free education and unlimited free medical services for illegal aliens overturned by the ultra-liberal 9th Circuit Court as "unconstitutional", and by the millions of illegals feeding off of your tax dollar as "racist."

And the Republicans just as bad as the Dems now, pandering to these millions of illegals in order to get their votes. Only 10 years ago the percentage of illegal aliens to citizen farmworkers in the Salinas valley was 7%. It is now over 50%. The INS does nothing, and Bush is actually proposing yet another amnesty for people who cut in line of the legal immigration queue and entered the country illegally. Some people estimate that the full ramifications of this proposed amnesty could be _100 Million_ more Mexicans within the next 15 years, as these instant citizens bring over all their relatives and breed more at a much higher than average birth rate. That's the equivalent of 3 more Californias population wise, and a full 35% of our current population as an increase, in fewer than 2 decades!

Ironically, the people that are the most against this amnesty are those legal Mexicans and other immigrants who followed the rules, waited their turn, entered the country legally and are now citizens.

In any case, this ongoing and imminent balkanization of the country mirrors exactly the last days of the Roman Empire, IMO, and bodes ill for the future of the Republic. I predict a public backlash against this Federally imposed nonsense very soon, and it ain't gonna be pretty.

BTW, some good books on this subject are "The Death of The West" by Buchanan, and "Mexifornia" by Victor Hansen.


Regards,

Norm

P.S. Munk, I think we are also in complete agreement WRT the "Patriot Act." I personally have no doubt that we are better off with Bush than with the person who ran against him last year, but some of the provisions of this blatantly unconstitutional and illegal power grab by the Federal Government make my hair stand on end. I never thought that I would agree with the ACLU on anything, but on this one I am solidly on their side.

No Government in history that has ever appropriated this kind of illegal police state power has EVER ceded any of it back to the citizenry after the supposed threat was over. I know 9/11 and the destruction of the World Trade Center was not at all of the same politically motivated vein, being driven by outside enemies of the State, but as far as the final political ramifications and results are concerned, the burning of the Reichstag keeps persistently coming to mind...

-N.
 
Actually Norm, our own Government has at times of war taken even more civil liberties from the civilian population than the Patriot Act. The trouble with the Act, as we both know, is since our 'war' is so broad and widely defined, I do not see a return to norm as there will be no declaration of having 'won' as in other conflicts. The War on Terror might take this entire century.

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back to trail guns; Rusty and others really seem to like small semi autos. Why is this, I wonder?



munkl
 
munk said:
back to trail guns; Rusty and others really seem to like small semi autos. Why is this, I wonder?

munkl
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Several reasons I'm sure. Flatter, faster to reload , familiarity, etc etc.

drawbacks:
lesser range of ammo can be fired and allow the gun to reload itself.
 
'Pends on terrain and political climate.

In an area with dense woods, where I could, I reckon I'd carry something like an M1 Carbine, unless up in the great North- in which case I'd carry my trusty ghost ring Mossberg 500.

For a long time, I almost always had my Glock 23 (.40) with me. Sold it, though. Also sold my Smith 657 (3" .41). Now, I reckon in some places (potential large/dangerous threat, but need to be "low observability") I'd carry my Smith 10mm or 9x23mm 1911. There's a pocket cannon for you! 15 rounds of genuine .357 goodness...

In an area where allowed/fitted in, especially in open terrain, I reckon I'd carry my customized, scoped 1903. Low power optic, easily good to about as far as I am.

John
 
Svashtar said:
Sorry Hollow, I'll have to disagree with you here. A half-dozen ultra-liberal politicians from upper-middle class or upper class areas in CA voted in those laws. There was no referendum, no vote, no propositions. And it's always the same jerks writing the same bills and getting them approved year after year. Of course, they do need a majority to get approved, so in a sense you're right as it only takes a bare majority of the few legals who vote (and the many illegals who vote for the Dems who keep them safely on the Government teat) to put these socialist corrupt a$$holes into power.


Norm
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But referendums or propositions are a relatively recent phenomenon in the political process and not all states even have them.

Democracy is not built around propositions and referendums in general or about 50% of the southern states would still vote to seat black folks at the back of the bus, and people would be saying the Lords Prayer before class every morning ;)

My point was that all of the people you mention who enacted these restrictive laws were elected. If the majority of voters in California disagreed with these politicians postions they would be voted out of office.

When the Brady law and the AWB passed look how many rural districts that had democratic legislators that voted them out. Net result: No more gun control has passed since then at the Federal level.

So I still think that a majority, or at least a voting majority of Californians seem to agree with their positons.
 
Spectre and Rusty walking in the desert;

too heavily armed to approach with anything except sattelite radio.

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Spectre- that 9x23 still a honey?



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A long time ago I embarked upon two gun sagas- one was the M1 'tanker', the other trying to find or make an Iver Johnson Enforcer. The top field rep for the retail/wholesale gun outfit I worked for said the store had 8 Enforcers and they all were returned to the factory for failure to feed.

The Enforcer was the M1 Carbine with the barrel shortened to 10" ? or 14" ? and a pistol grip. Now, if you had one that worked, and had a nice sling set up, that would be a good desert carry for me.


munk
 
munk said:
The Enforcer was the M1 Carbine with the barrel shortened to 10" ? or 14" ? and a pistol grip. Now, if you had one that worked, and had a nice sling set up, that would be a good desert carry for me.


munk
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Hell that would be a good anywhere carry for me.

Munk, my cousin Orville has a pristine "Tanker.":p ;)
He paid a lot for it!:eek:
 
My carry/trail guns are as follows a Sig Sauer P220/ 45acp and a S&W
28 357 4 inch revolver. Personally I prefer the Sig cause we carry a semi auto at work. But just my humble opinions.


James

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Munk,

I haven't had a chance to run any 9x23 ammo yet, but plan on getting a case when income tax money comes in. On regular ole' 9x19, it's just too much fun. :)

John
 
With the AK-47 receivers made in the USA you can have a frame designated from day one for building a pistol!!! Want to see an AK pistol? Check out GunsAmerica - I think they even have a heading for AK pistols.

BTW two Beretta model 1935 magazines arrived. The mags I ordered for the model 100 were out. There's another Beretta - the model 70T that is a 32 acp on the New Puma frame same as the model 100.

Plus I'm hoping they still have a pair of the grips for the short barreled New Puma 32.

Do you remember how Colt built the later Police Positives, Detective Specials and Cobras on a gripframe that stopped short of the bottom of the butt? If it said Agent you got a butt shortened to the bottom of the frame. If it said Cobra, the in the grips came down farther. Same thing with the Beretta Model 100's. The grips extend past the bottom of the frame. So if I put shortened grips on my 100, it can be used with the shorter New Puma 32 mags IF any of THEM are still available. There were more Puma 32's made by far than the m100.
 
For local trail hikes I like Walosi's SW 640. If I'm going up further into the Big Horns, it is the SW 24, .44 Spec., 27-2 3.5" .357 or 625 .45 LC. It depends on how I'm feeling. I'm partial to the 24 and 27 though.

We've got all kinds of critters to look out for here. Heck, we even had a big cat stalking the neighborhood my first winter here (IN TOWN). But I'm still more concerned about the two legged variety of critters than the four legged ones. Most of them will get out of your way before you even see them.

Alan
 
munk said:
I wonder if I have a nice 1911? It's a basic Springfield A2 or A1 or whatever. It's been ported and ramped, if you know what that means.


One of the early 1990's guns, I hope it has a forged frame from the US rather than one made in Brazil.

I didn't know Charter ever made a 41- the same model as the bulldog 44 special?

All this talk of the trail makes me want to hit the road and do some shooting.

The advantage of a big bore revolver is you can load them down to 1000 fps, have it shoot accurately and calmly, and still end most threats except for that Coastal Brown that chased the Duck.


munk
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Munk:

To my knowledge, everything that has come out of Brazil has been forged and not cast...so you certainly have the foundation of a nice 1911. Springfield Armory 1911's would be my first choice for the money. Even their basic models will be durable and most likely reliable too. Enjoy.

Oh..if I carry in the woods when hiking, it is likely to be a S&W 640 or G19. Size and weight being important considerations. Feral dogs and feral two-legged critters would be my biggest concerns.

Jeff
 
munk said:
Iver Johnson Enforcer. The top field rep for the retail/wholesale gun outfit I worked for said the store had 8 Enforcers and they all were returned to the factory for failure to feed.

The Enforcer was the M1 Carbine with the barrel shortened to 10" ? or 14" ? and a pistol grip. Now, if you had one that worked, and had a nice sling set up, that would be a good desert carry for me.
munk
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I remember the enforcer! They looked cool. I love my old M1 carbine! I would have liked to try one of them. In fact one of the reasons I got the CZ 52 was I had been wanting a Blackhawk in .30 but they are more expensive and the 7.62x25 is close to a carbine. 1600fps I'm thinking carbine is 2000?

Something else I have always wanted speaking of Iver Johnson is an old top break owl head. I see them occasionally but they used to be everywhere. They were cool funky old guns.
 
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