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It followed me home (Part 2)

Discussion in 'Axe, Tomahawk, & Hatchet Forum' started by Steve Tall, Jun 12, 2014.

  1. ithinkverydeeply

    ithinkverydeeply Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 17, 2018
    Agreed. If it’s worth noting, mine has a tapered “American” style eye not the D shaped eye.
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  2. ithinkverydeeply

    ithinkverydeeply Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 17, 2018
    Just for fun here are a couple more examples in literature from The Tools That Built America and the ABC Book of Americana respectively.
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    And perhaps most fittingly from a list of obsolete phrases replaced by new ones in a Salem newspaper.
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  3. Ernest DuBois

    Ernest DuBois

    Mar 2, 2013
    Is it really so controversial? In broad terms it seems to my simple mind straightforward enough that the axe type was brought from Germany by one or some of the many groups that came in the mass immigrations of the 19th century, after all keeping yourself warm must be on your mind if your going out to get yourself set up in a new place like that, that its use was for a time maintained in particular in Pennsylvania, that some of the versions even show a kind of metamorphosing or deviation
    from the original form, for example the one pictured in the Kaufman book with its obvious New World influences. And now one axe from this category has made its way into the hands of ThinksDeeply. There's nothing overly mystifying about it and it's the most probable and plausible scenario.
    Some dismiss or claim the label isn't important for understanding, maybe but why deny a part of the axes history? Better to simply qualify terms factually, "Grienman records users calling it "Blimpbeil", Who could argue with that?
    Yes it's what I mean and don't think it's mean if I say it is a striking incongruity how the altered eye form has left the poll dangling and opened the space for speculation. In the Good OldWorld version there is harmony between the fuller eye, the D-shape, and the extended poll though it's my experience that this combination provides no added stability in and of itself as AH has suggested.
     
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  4. ithinkverydeeply

    ithinkverydeeply Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 17, 2018
    I don’t disagree with your assessment here.
    I just don’t understand why we are not calling it a “Holzaxt” like they did?
    (Is it just that we are so far removed from it now that we need modifiers like Vintage American splitting axe from Deutsch-Pennsylvania that they used to call a Holzaxt?)
     
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  5. Fmont

    Fmont Gold Member Gold Member

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    Apr 20, 2017
    It seems to me it was simply a colloquialism by the time anybody got around to cataloging these things. I'd certainly refer to it as such, being Americans of the era referred to it as such!

    Nice holzaxt itvd!
     
  6. Square_peg

    Square_peg Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 1, 2012
    The axe can be called a holzaxt.
    I'm saying that holzaxt isn't a pattern and can't be exclusively applied to any particular pattern of axe. It is simply a term that German Americans applied to a wide array of axes generally used for felling and/or splitting.
     
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  7. Fmont

    Fmont Gold Member Gold Member

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    Apr 20, 2017
    Yes, it looks like even mauls were subject to the name by some peoples. Holzaxt = big honking splitting smashing axe.

    I think what is special is that itvd's example shows so much of the German DNA, while also being American. To me that is very cool.
     
  8. Square_peg

    Square_peg Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 1, 2012
    It's certainly a holzaxt. But specifically it's a kliebhacke. And holzaxt refers to a wide range of axes used for felling and splitting wood.
     
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  9. Square_peg

    Square_peg Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 1, 2012
    I agree. That's very cool, the American eye in a traditional German pattern splitting axe. Certainly a unique fusion axe.
     
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  10. jblyttle

    jblyttle Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 3, 2014
    Yup I recognize it.
     
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  11. Miller '72

    Miller '72 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 25, 2017

    ITVD, I am intrigued and interested in your supplee-biddle catalog. You have one in your possession?
    I regretfully missed out on 2 supplee biddle axes in the last couple years but i do have 2 crosscuts. A 5' felling and 3' single/two man.
    Does your catalog have crosscuts and if so when convenient could you post the pages?
    I do have page excerpts from online i have used for Identification but the original literature must be simply awesomevto have at your finger tips.

    Once a Holzaxe...Always a Holzaxe
    It sounds like something my wife would call me:D
     
  12. ithinkverydeeply

    ithinkverydeeply Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 17, 2018
    I wish I did. I’m afraid I only have that page. It’s double sided but it’s axes.

    Edit: I see my wording was misleading, I didn’t mean to imply that.
     
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  13. Miller '72

    Miller '72 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 25, 2017
    No worries and thanks for sharing the perfect. Beautiful axe man! The Holzaxt is unique and awesome as well.
     
  14. Ernest DuBois

    Ernest DuBois

    Mar 2, 2013
    This is the context, the distinction twixt "we" and "they" and for the sake of clarity some qualification should accompany the terms.

    We shouldn't just call it simply "holzaxt" and leave it at that, this is what I'm saying because that fixes its identity as if it were known when in fact we know nothing more than that this is what Mercer called it based on some obscure sourcing, poor grounds for laying claim to an identity, which by the way even Mercer had smarts enough to avoid doing, as far as I can tell. We see from these other text examples with this sloppy perpetuation by others that in short order the label takes on degree of even legitimacy and the illusion of truth. Well, the argument for using care with labels is self evident given the confusion we find ourselves in the midst of at the moment.

    I never did know I had a holzaxt before.[​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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  15. Fmont

    Fmont Gold Member Gold Member

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    Apr 20, 2017
    I think we should! As there is no more specific designation than the colloquialism to with which it was referred, it seems the most appropriate term. You could add some precision by saying "American Holzaxt," if you like.

    Or that you had a "go devil!" Learn something new every day!
     
  16. Miller '72

    Miller '72 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 25, 2017
    Connies Delight!

    Thank you to Mr Lyttle & The Hartford Axe Express

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    Old Faithful Warren Axe 4lb'er

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  17. Yankee Josh

    Yankee Josh Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 31, 2018
    I got my own from j.b.! Lol. Thank you Justin! Plus some 28"-31" db hafts from another seller. 20190916_143101.jpg 20190916_143114.jpg 20190916_143125.jpg
    It weighed #2-15.6oz before filing and I filed off .2oz of steel. This axe is almost as hard as the other two ridiculously hard ones I have.
    I've got two other Mann's bedside this one and they have an ordinary temper. NOT this one holy cow.
     
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  18. Miller '72

    Miller '72 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 25, 2017
    Beauty Knot Klipper!!

    I love those handles YJ!!
     
  19. Fmont

    Fmont Gold Member Gold Member

    864
    Apr 20, 2017
    I've had a couple Mann's with really hard steel! Knot Klipper indeed!
     
  20. Agent_H

    Agent_H Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 21, 2013
    Is the last shot after evening it up? If so, that is a wide grin on that edge.
     

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