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  1. molletta

    molletta Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 1, 2004
    The alternative steel is also available only in blocks.
    Both will be saw. I am waiting the actual availability for both.
    Usually those are low stock. They are expensive and available sizes are often unattractive. Round block or big dimension.
     
  2. Jenslkl

    Jenslkl

    79
    May 4, 2010
    Yeah it is often like that unfortunately. Expensive and big blocks. But i guess the steel companies don't want to set up a whole production for a steel thats only being sold in small quantities. It would make it a even more expensive, and they would sell even less.

    I would love to hear what the other steel is by the way :)
     
  3. Neo

    Neo

    Sep 12, 2002
    How many do you think will be made?
     
  4. molletta

    molletta Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 1, 2004
    If materials will be available soon, in this year.
    I am serching advanced materials for handle and checking availability.
     
  5. Jenslkl

    Jenslkl

    79
    May 4, 2010
    So this means you have decided what steel to use? Well it's no secret that i'm hoping for K490 at RC 62 :D

    When do you have a render ready to show at the forums? Or perhaps it's to early to even ask :)
     
  6. Neo

    Neo

    Sep 12, 2002
    If the project is completed he must have a render to show us ;) :D
     
  7. Neo

    Neo

    Sep 12, 2002
    How would K490 compare to vanadis 4E ?
     
  8. Neo

    Neo

    Sep 12, 2002
    ;)

    impact energy unnotched in joule

    K890 at 60Rc is 105 j
    K890 at 62Rc is 95 j
    K490 at 62Rc is 80 j with the almost the same wear resistance as M4

    http://www.bohler-edelstahl.com/files/K890DE.pdf
    http://www.bohler-edelstahl.com/english/files/K490DE.pdf


    Uddeholm Vanadis 4E ( Crucible has now created cpm 4V with the same make-up)

    at 58 Rc is 70j
    at 60 Rc is 60j
    at 62 Rc is 50j
    at 64 Rc is 40j

    http://www.uddeholm.com/files/PB_Uddeholm_vanadis_4_extra_english.pdf

    See for comparison : http://corse76.altervista.org/col.php?noti2=resilienza

    I believe wear resistance is slightly less than M4
     
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2012
  9. molletta

    molletta Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 1, 2004
    :)
    All steel that you write are third generation powder metallurgy. Croucible is second generation.
    There is another steel that I'm even considering that it is not in the list....

    But now Enki is coming...
    Let's see if we can match the data Uddeholm or we can do better.
    Up to now we have always done better.
     
  10. Neo

    Neo

    Sep 12, 2002
    I even believe Crucible has first generation powder metallurgy and carpenter second generation ;)
     
  11. molletta

    molletta Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 1, 2004
    I thought that Crucible was evolved to second.... I am wrong.

    I this moment i think that very high quality steel metallurgy is made in Europe. It's the reason because i'm using those steel.
     
  12. jdm61

    jdm61 itinerant metal pounder

    Aug 12, 2005
    The CPM 4V has a little bit more impact resistance at 58RC than the Vanadis, but at 60 and 62, it is almost exactly the same. I am not sure what the abrasion/wear resistance of the Vanadis 4E is, but the CPM 4V is supposed to be about the same as CPM S35V.
     
  13. Ravaillac

    Ravaillac

    Feb 14, 2005
  14. molletta

    molletta Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 1, 2004
    Next month will be availble.
     
  15. Neo

    Neo

    Sep 12, 2002
    Molletta will the Ningishzidda or the Iago be made in 2013?
     
  16. molletta

    molletta Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 1, 2004

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