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Bad Patriot Leather
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Case ID: PP-D-70159705
The buyer reported that the item they received wasn't as described. We’ve placed a hold on the transaction amount until this case is closed.
You escalated to PayPal
We've received the buyer's info
We're reviewing the info
Estimated case resolution: Jun 15
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Enjoy the pile on kids, I don't believe it will make Paypal move any faster since they are required to manually review not as described claims, but it is fun to read all the self righteous drivel regurgitated over and over by the same few people.
I know the regulars of this particular sub forum like to think themselves the center of the knife related universe when in reality your just a double handful of idiots who like to refresh the forum every six minutes hoping for something else to stick a self important long winded opinion into.
If a Mod wants to ban me, then by all means please do so. The transaction has absolutely nothing to do with Bladeforums and my business, nor anyone else's, is not subject to the rules of an internet forum. The information was posted as a courtesy only.
I've been in business 10 years and employ 8 people, we seem to do just fine without Bladeforums, or any other forum for that matter.
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Case ID: PP-D-70159705
The buyer reported that the item they received wasn't as described. We’ve placed a hold on the transaction amount until this case is closed.
You escalated to PayPal
We've received the buyer's info
We're reviewing the info
Estimated case resolution: Jun 15
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Enjoy the pile on kids, I don't believe it will make Paypal move any faster since they are required to manually review not as described claims, but it is fun to read all the self righteous drivel regurgitated over and over by the same few people.
I know the regulars of this particular sub forum like to think themselves the center of the knife related universe when in reality your just a double handful of idiots who like to refresh the forum every six minutes hoping for something else to stick a self important long winded opinion into.
If a Mod wants to ban me, then by all means please do so. The transaction has absolutely nothing to do with Bladeforums and my business, nor anyone else's, is not subject to the rules of an internet forum. The information was posted as a courtesy only.
I've been in business 10 years and employ 8 people, we seem to do just fine without Bladeforums, or any other forum for that matter.
Gastonknife
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Skystorm, I do not think anyone piled prior and it seemed folks were waiting on your response/more info to truly form an opinion. When you did respond, you really did not tell your side of the story or offer any explanation as to why you never communicated back to the OP or refunded his money prior. I think some people are still looking for your side of the story - which you don't seem to care to share; but I think you probably already damaged some of your rep with the attitude.
No rush on the ban, it’s not like you’ll be doing business on BF’s anyway.
You stated in your first post that there were two sides to every story... still waiting on that.
Also, you would be incorrect about the transaction and Bladeforums.
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He displays extremely poor business attitude whence communicating or just ghosting and then defers to playing the victim vis-a-vis his often used reference to "piling on" and / or the "I do not need the business" mode. Interestingly I came across his business on the Big Auction Site before I had even joined this Site. I never transacted with PL so I can not speak to the quality of his work but after having had many bouts with him on here and the continuance of his idiosyncrasies and foibles as he clearly portrays, I would say that there are plenty as good, if not better leather sheath makers for BF.com members to do business without the perils of experiencing such hassles as reported by the OP.
If anyone is contemplating placing orders with PL, I would strongly suggest doing so at their own risk through that Big Auction Site where he will have much less room for his usual equivocation (2 sides to the story default excuse). I state again that he has gained a few negative feedback in the past few months over there precisely because of the same reasons that the OP has stated, i.e, wrong size and then initial refusal to accept returns or remedy the situation for the buyer. I am not lying or making things up as anyone can check those comments on that Site quite easily with a bot of Internet search savvy. Despite the fact that PLC states no return, there is no such thing with item-not-as-described: when a sheath does not fit the knife which it was commissioned for, that sheath is NOT as described!
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion, which you obviously reject.
"Self-righteous"?
"Self-righteous"?
It's not like I have been selling on BF anyway, and we are agreed on the or ever will part.
The OP is entitled to make a complaint if he chooses, wherever he chooses, just as I am entitled to respond or not as I choose, however, the rest of the internet regardless of their arrogant demands is neither owed nor entitled to an explanation of anything from either party.
Rules posted on an internet forum are great. For that forum. They do not apply or have any teeth outside your little corner of the internet. All you can do is ban me, which I have already asked for since there is no un-join button. Win-win as far as I am concerned.
You don't like me, the way I do things or the fact that I won't roll over every time someone says boo then never do business with us. It really is that simple. There are over 8 billion other people in the world to choose from.
The OP is entitled to make a complaint if he chooses, wherever he chooses, just as I am entitled to respond or not as I choose, however, the rest of the internet regardless of their arrogant demands is neither owed nor entitled to an explanation of anything from either party.
Rules posted on an internet forum are great. For that forum. They do not apply or have any teeth outside your little corner of the internet. All you can do is ban me, which I have already asked for since there is no un-join button. Win-win as far as I am concerned.
You don't like me, the way I do things or the fact that I won't roll over every time someone says boo then never do business with us. It really is that simple. There are over 8 billion other people in the world to choose from.
Not knowing "both sides" of the story I can't comment on this transaction. But as for the attitude of any business owner to be what you
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have displayed to me is not very wise or acceptable. And will be reason enough to not do business with or recommend your business to anyone. Even poor enough to tell friends to avoid doing so.
If this is a normal your attitude towards people ... how you have any business regardless of how good your product might be is a surprise at this point.
If this is a normal your attitude towards people ... how you have any business regardless of how good your product might be is a surprise at this point.
The part you’re missing, is that anyone that ever googles your name, your company’s name, or your username, this bladeforums thread will pop up within the first few results. So at least people will be able to educate themselves before dealing with your attitude. Thank goodness.
Actually this little corner of the internet does have teeth... all you need to do is Google "Patriot Leather" to see that.
As I said previously, there's no rush to ban you despite what you want. The longer this thread continues the more exposure you'll receive... that's a win-win as far as I'm concerned.
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I had not heard of you until this thread. .....You don’t sound like a Patriot at all. A patriot does the right thing for his Customers/fellow citizens & from your attitude to the members/mods. You aren’t a Patriot at all!
I'm certain your convinced of your own self importance. Certain Mods often like to replace the M with a G in their head.
Free advertising is great Gmod, good or bad, make it a 100 page thread please and Thank you. Don't think so? Then do some pondering on casinostocks, the all time windbag apologists, favorite knife people, Survive! Knives. They seem to be doing quite well, actually better, sans forum. I might have given Guy too little credit. Perhaps BF isn't the center of the knife universe after all and might just be a forum. Right Gmod??
Free advertising is great Gmod, good or bad, make it a 100 page thread please and Thank you. Don't think so? Then do some pondering on casinostocks, the all time windbag apologists, favorite knife people, Survive! Knives. They seem to be doing quite well, actually better, sans forum. I might have given Guy too little credit. Perhaps BF isn't the center of the knife universe after all and might just be a forum. Right Gmod??
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First post on this Sub-F, but been active a few/many years now elsewhere on BF.
First, if I may, this is so unfortunate.
When Skyler/Patriot was Skystorm, I ordered several custom sheaths from him. This was years ago now. They were and are some of the best leather I have ever had and used (and that goes back to the late '70's). Additionally, it was a pleasure to deal with him and I received what I ordered, on time, as promised, and as said of excellent quality.
I hate - just hate - the net and social media at times (as well as txts and even email) so very much for the reason that it is so easy to be misinterpreted/read into messages/posts without the cues provided by in-person or even telephonic communication. From there it is so often the case that things can go down hill. I don't know what happened exactly here, and I am certainly not blaming the OP based on what is known in this thread, but once name calling begins it is very difficult for many, if not most, people to "back down." I note that the OP did not name call.
One can say that the onus to inform, de-escalate, and be cordial is on the business owner, and I respect that and have those sympathies. Been there myself, so I speak from experience.
All that said, I don't like what I am hearing and it is all so unfortunate. I do hope things can somehow be turned around.
First, if I may, this is so unfortunate.
When Skyler/Patriot was Skystorm, I ordered several custom sheaths from him. This was years ago now. They were and are some of the best leather I have ever had and used (and that goes back to the late '70's). Additionally, it was a pleasure to deal with him and I received what I ordered, on time, as promised, and as said of excellent quality.
I hate - just hate - the net and social media at times (as well as txts and even email) so very much for the reason that it is so easy to be misinterpreted/read into messages/posts without the cues provided by in-person or even telephonic communication. From there it is so often the case that things can go down hill. I don't know what happened exactly here, and I am certainly not blaming the OP based on what is known in this thread, but once name calling begins it is very difficult for many, if not most, people to "back down." I note that the OP did not name call.
One can say that the onus to inform, de-escalate, and be cordial is on the business owner, and I respect that and have those sympathies. Been there myself, so I speak from experience.
All that said, I don't like what I am hearing and it is all so unfortunate. I do hope things can somehow be turned around.
The part I find entertaining is how this guy is acting like Ebay won't be siding with the buyer. That dude is definitely going to be getting his money back, and if I were him, I'd leave a comment as negative feedback (that you are unable to reciprocate LOL) to come see this thread. These days, smart Ebayers DO look at Feedback. Once they see the d-baggish nature of the comments here, this will absolutely cost you sales.
But hey, you do you, man.
But hey, you do you, man.
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. . . no offense to anyone here, but I don't think calling anyone "scumbag" and of "d-baggish" nature gets anyone anywhere in public. It lowers us all. But then I believe in free speech, so of course do as one feels one must I suppose.
As a society we have lowered our level of discourse; hence, ourselves.
I personally believe that the anonymity of the internet, where almost everyone uses a username which is a pseudonym, allows for less than civil behavior with no real world accountability. And yes, I understand some of the reasons for the pseudonyms quite well, thank you.
Reminds me so often of the fine folks who feel free to flip one the bird in traffic and then speed away.
As a society we have lowered our level of discourse; hence, ourselves.
I personally believe that the anonymity of the internet, where almost everyone uses a username which is a pseudonym, allows for less than civil behavior with no real world accountability. And yes, I understand some of the reasons for the pseudonyms quite well, thank you.
Reminds me so often of the fine folks who feel free to flip one the bird in traffic and then speed away.
Hi, my name's Forrest. That's my face in my Avatar. What was that about anonymity? LOL
Also, your attempt at shaming people for calling a situation what it is is unwarranted. We have a seller in here who has essentially made it clear that he's not interested in getting a customer sorted out, so that customer has had to resort to filing a complaint. I've bought and sold many things on Ebay, here, and other places, and I've never had a complaint filed against me of any kind. Wonder why that might be?
Oh, right, I don't treat people like doing business with me is an exalted privilege. There's a lesson for others in there somewhere.
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Well, I think patriot leather has shown his true colors.
I would never do business with him and will be sure to let others know not to deal with him if they have questions about a leather craftsman.
Instead of accepting responsibility for his mistakes and lack of communication, he displays total arrogance.
It could be called narcissism I guess. It's kind of sad and self destructive.
I would never do business with him and will be sure to let others know not to deal with him if they have questions about a leather craftsman.
Instead of accepting responsibility for his mistakes and lack of communication, he displays total arrogance.
It could be called narcissism I guess. It's kind of sad and self destructive.
Unhappy customers, inaccurate orders, mistakes, attitudes, expectations, and forgetting things sometimes is all part of being a business owner. Get over yourself, it’s the cost of doing business. Make it right and move on, choose not to deal with that person anymore if it’s that big of an issue. That’s what a good, honest business owner does. There will be times a person has to step up and stand firm, but this is far from one of those times. You’re just huffing and puffing on the internet making yourself look stupid, and making your business look amateur at best. And to have the nerve to mention other thieves and scammers to even suggest they’re doing “so much better” without bladeforums just shows how deep in your feelings you are about this thread. Grab yourself some tissue, wipe those tears, man the F up, make it right and move on. Anything less says everything about you as a man, or lack thereof.
Im not hiding behind a keyboard. I would love nothing more than to explain that to you, albeit a bit less respectfully, to your face. Do you have a storefront we can visit, so we can see how wildly successful you are and how much business you do? You’ve got to have a constant line around the corner the way you talk.
Im not hiding behind a keyboard. I would love nothing more than to explain that to you, albeit a bit less respectfully, to your face. Do you have a storefront we can visit, so we can see how wildly successful you are and how much business you do? You’ve got to have a constant line around the corner the way you talk.