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Bad Patriot Leather

Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by Deschain, Jun 1, 2020.

  1. Kenneth F Huls

    Kenneth F Huls Gold Member Gold Member

    982
    Jul 11, 2012
    No shaming intended, Forrest ("What was that about anonymity? LOL" My response would be "Forest who?" I did not laugh at you, Forrest. Yet you laugh at me. Hmmmm, "There's a lesson for others in there somewhere."). Pleased to meet you. See, this is what I meant by how easy it is to misinterpret online communication.

    I will accept that the problem is my communication, and I meant no offense - as clearly stated.

    Yes, I understand the attitude seen here from Skyler. Tried to say something, accurate in this instance or not, about how this sort of thing can happen and degenerate.

    I still don't understand how name-calling helps here - or anywhere. Acknowledging that a party is/was being rude, how does it help to be rude in kind? Cannot one's point be clearly made without it?

    Take care, Forrest. I mean it. Not trying to start a fight. I like it here at BF. I expect you do as well.
     
  2. MolokaiRider

    MolokaiRider Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 13, 2017
    Fourth listing to populate when Google searching Patriot Leather is a BladeForums thread (not exactly flattering to PL).

    This forum has fueled many purchases of products in this industry.

    I’m actually quite disappointed in how Patriot Leather has chosen to conduct themself here.

    To align your business ethic with the likes of Survive is even more disappointing.
     
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  3. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    Listen, please take your attempt at obfuscation elsewhere. I AM laughing, because I directly disproved your assertion and insinuation that people would only use such terminology when hiding behind a veil of internet anonymity. Well, I'm not. The only one who appears to be misinterpreting anything is you. My recommendation is that you go back and read this entire thread one more time. The seller, SkyStorm is making it clear that he's not interested in making sure his customers are whole. That is not worth defending, or obfuscating. Two moderators have responded in this thread, making it clear what side of this they're on. If they had an issue with my comments, they would make it known. Your "disappointed father" schtick isn't going to fly here.

    Defending sellers who are being d-bags isn't a great way to "not start a fight".
     
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  4. Kenneth F Huls

    Kenneth F Huls Gold Member Gold Member

    982
    Jul 11, 2012
    Are you addressing me, BP? I am who my name states. I am not currently in business, if you must know - not sure what that has to do with it. The insults? BTW, I agree with much of what you said about the business owner based on the post, albeit without the animosity and corresponding tone/words.

    Feel free to PM me if you want to do as you suggest above. I will provide my phone number if you are not local to me so you can express yourself as you say.

    I made a decision years ago to simply call out lack of civility. I believe it is a personable responsibility in our society in order to help right the ship in this regard. That's all that is intended. I find it sad that doing so seems to generate even more vitriol.
     
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  5. Eli Chaps

    Eli Chaps Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Apr 20, 2018
    Patriot Leather Knife Sheaths I will never do business with you.

    Patriot Leather Knife Sheaths it is unfortunate you have zero customer care.

    Patriot Leather Knife Sheaths you have horrible communication.

    Patriot Leather Knife Sheaths I had no idea about the original transaction and you may have been right as rain, but you came in here with attacks when you could have easily diffused things.

    Patriot Leather Knife Sheaths it is unfortunate you are so uncaring about potential customers.
     
  6. Kenneth F Huls

    Kenneth F Huls Gold Member Gold Member

    982
    Jul 11, 2012
    I am defending no one. I simply said I had a good experience long ago. More insults and name calling when none was given. I see.

    PM me if you wish. No need to carry on like this publicly.
     
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  7. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    Not interested, I appreciate the clarification. "I had a good experience, and want people to stop speaking poorly of this bad businessman, so I'll come in and condescend to them with the disappointed parent routine."

    Cool. Good deal. :rolleyes:

    Anyway, this thread is about Patriot Leather treating customers poorly, and that customer is going to have to be made whole by Ebay.
     
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  8. BP_

    BP_ Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 26, 2015
    If I have something to say to you, I will tag you in my post and address you personally. Let’s hop off the sensitivity train and focus on the fact that this thread is not about you, has nothing to do with you, and only the comments directed at you have been quoted so you would know for sure.

    As far as challenging me, I’m in Kansas City. Shoot me a number if you’ve got personal issues. We can work those out immediately. :thumbsup:
     
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  9. Kenneth F Huls

    Kenneth F Huls Gold Member Gold Member

    982
    Jul 11, 2012
    Purposely misstating my message and intent, or so it seems. I was clear enough. I know you understand. "Not interested . . ." - I figured as much. This will be my last post here regardless of public response.

    Best to y'all.
     
  10. Kenneth F Huls

    Kenneth F Huls Gold Member Gold Member

    982
    Jul 11, 2012
    My mistake then. Truly sorry and no, I did not intend to challenge you - rather I thought I was addressing the reverse. My point, actually.

    I said I was done here. I broke that. I will try to move on and go back to a more civil sub-forum.
     
  11. Boru13

    Boru13 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Apr 25, 2000
    :cool:
     
  12. hhmoore

    hhmoore Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 7, 2014
    Perhaps you're a little too focused on your pissing contest, but the OP never said - or even suggested - that this was an eBay transaction. If it was, I think a complaint there would have been his first recourse after Patriot Leather stopped responding to him. eBay was only mentioned earlier as a possible contact option.
     
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  13. CowboyStyle

    CowboyStyle

    278
    Dec 25, 2011
    Really sad to see all this going on. Skystorm makes an awesome sheath. Way back before patriot leather was the company name I bought some sheaths for my Becker’s and a few esee’s. I wish sky would give his side of the story.

    Why not explain to the op a new sheath was on the way or some sort of communication would go a long way. Why ghost him or straight up ignore a customer.
     
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  14. Skystorm

    Skystorm

    Oct 17, 2011
    Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit. That's what happens when you're too busy trying to be the internet tough guy and foaming at the mouth.
    I'll break it down barney style for you, hopefully you can make it through both points.

    OP did not purchase through Ebay.
    OP's refund is pending and expected to clear 6-15 according to Paypal. I called to push them along and was rebuffed.

    Stay in school people. :rolleyes:


     
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  15. Kenneth F Huls

    Kenneth F Huls Gold Member Gold Member

    982
    Jul 11, 2012
    This
     
  16. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    Yep, folks. Stay in school so you don't fail out and then start a super small business in an industry already packed with actually quality people, and then shoot yourself in the foot in an extreme display of arrogance and pride.

    Let's be clear, you make leather sheathes, and so do a ton of other folks, all of whom I would give business before I'll give you a dime. The best part is that thanks to you showing your ass here, so will plenty of other folks.

    Patriot Storm is a bad company to do business with, let's gooooo Google Search!

    :)
     
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  17. Eli Chaps

    Eli Chaps Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Apr 20, 2018
    I agree.

    Patriot Leather Knife Sheaths seems to be a terrible business to deal with.
     
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  18. Eli Chaps

    Eli Chaps Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Apr 20, 2018
    Patriot Leather Knife Sheaths seems to have terrible customer service.

    Patriot Leather Knife Sheaths, I thought you were done with this thread?

    Patriot Leather Knife Sheaths has terrible customer interaction.
     
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  19. Skystorm

    Skystorm

    Oct 17, 2011
    Closed.

    We've completed our review of this case and decided in favor of your buyer. Per your authorization, we deducted the full transaction amount from your PayPal account. This case is now closed and no further action is required on your part.

    We refunded $79.90 USD to them.

    Transaction Details

    Case number: PP-D-70159705

    Buyer's name: Removed
     
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  20. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    I have been trying to remain very matter-of-fact in my postings in here, despite the fact that I have to come to really dislike Skyler's online persona. He is abrupt with his outside communication if/when he bothers to answer queries and he can turn plain rude with a very short fuse. His style is one of conflation, conflagration, equivocation and hurling insults when faced with accountability.

    I have never attempted to question his craftsmanship and from what I've heard from a friend who used to do sheaths as hobby, Skyler himself used to make good sheaths. When I contacted him on the Big Auction Site years ago before I even knew this place existed, he used to have 100% positive feedback. I would not have bothered to give the guy a second look or ask him a question if he had the current level of negatives on that Site. The whole saga pivots on his extremely poor business attitude from what is clearly on display on here. It does not leave room for much speculation that since he made you those awesome sheaths as you claim and from the time when I had come across him on that Site, things have been gradually going south. Sometimes a business expansion and taking on too much does that to folks. This very place (GBU) is littered with previously supposed good craftsmen who suddenly went totally bad. Stuff happens!

    I don't want to see the guy crushed, threatened, bullied, crucified so to speak. He does a fine job of digging a deeper hole as he speaks and as he posts. The whole purpose of such threads is to serve as cautionary tales. Grow the eff up and act like the astute businessman who accepts who you claim to be by accepting responsibilities for both yourself and your employees if that had screwed up. Tis all.
     
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