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Survive! Knives Forum Closed - What Changed?

Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by ncrockclimb, Aug 4, 2018.

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  1. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    ^ Yes, there were certainly some strong indications of the Stockholm syndrome, with regards to your last paragraph.
     
  2. stonesell

    stonesell Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 20, 2009
    Some people want to be abused and controlled; The operators know this, and fulfill that need.
     
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  3. ncrockclimb

    ncrockclimb

    Nov 20, 2014
    Someone on the S!K Fan Facebook page made a post about the S!K sub-forum here being deleted. (It is not the official page. That one is dead. The "fan" page is somewhat active.) The post on the "fan" page was promptly deleted.

    For those that don't know, the FB "Fan" page is VERY HEAVILY censored. Posts that bring up any of the uncomfortable issues going on with S!K are almost always deleted and the members that made them are almost always banned. There are less than 1020 members on that page, and only a handful post regularly.
     
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  4. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    I agree with your whole post, but wanted to respond here. If the customer base had indeed done this years ago, that company would have folded years ago.
     
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  5. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    And why are we surprised?!

    Some wheeling and dealing happen, or used to happen on that S! fan FB page. I don't think that S! is directly involved with it but any bad publicity is likely deemed as being bad for the secondary GSO sales business.
     
  6. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    Or whipped into shape.
     
  7. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    Or that! I just think if they DO come back, they are going to need to at a minimum up their prices to a point where they can make a run of knives, and make enough of a profit from THAT SPECIFIC RUN to pay their bills, AND make the knives. For years, that is clearly not what they've been able to do.
     
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  8. WValtakis

    WValtakis Hand Engraving, Anodizing and Embellishment Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 29, 2004
    Or they blew the money on stupid shit (like a hotel) instead of putting it back in the business.

    ~Chip
     
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  9. danbot

    danbot Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    Yes. They had plenty of chances to whip things into shape.
     
  10. stonesell

    stonesell Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 20, 2009
    And then the mysterious fire that really helped their credibility.
     
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  11. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    Sadly with very small mom / pop type privately owned business entities, there's no directors board to sack / fire the person who creates all those problems by being obtuse.
     
  12. danbot

    danbot Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    True. And they have no "business" trying to act like a large manufacturer either.;)
     
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  13. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Factotum Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    Word! After having been around another maker's business who is light years more competent, knowledgeable plus much much better equipped and connected to the industry, I have learned that there is no friggin way for a very small manufactruing ought to take on such lofty production goals; much less for a very small outfit which at times branded itself as a "boutique' type of manufacturing op. I didn't know any of this detailed stuff about 2 1/2 years ago!
     
  14. danbot

    danbot Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    Well, now you get it and you've changed your opinion accordingly. Nothing wrong with that. It's not hypocracy in my eyes.
     
  15. BilboBaggins

    BilboBaggins Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 14, 2016
    I have (obviously) no idea whether this conversation took place. However, Millit did have SK fixturing featured on their Instagram story thingy (whatever you call it when you click on the videos of people you follow on the top of your instagram feed) yesterday. It was a clip in-between two others which was only up for a few minutes before it was replaced with just the other 2 clips together. I assume they are aware of the current and ongoing fallout, but I have (again, obviously) no idea what made that occur.
     
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  16. danbot

    danbot Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 31, 2009
    The way I see it right now with no solid info to go on, is that the good people at Millit are trying to help Guy any way they can, but they've also got their own commitments to keep. They can only do so much and Survive! Is still over committing. Just my opinion, I very well could be wrong.
     
  17. ndmiller

    ndmiller Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Nov 30, 2015
    Thanks for sharing Capitan Obvious. Guess I hit a nerve on Survive not listening to "experts" comment, that IS the reason you are so angry here about Survive. You had the solution for them and they continue to ignore it to this day, got it thanks.

    Reread my post and what I actually typed, that's where I was going, not what you thought I typed. No where did I absolve Survive of anything. I said and still believe people have to take some responsibility with their money when giving it out for a product not delivered. At this point anyone waiting for a Survive knife is crazy at this point. No-one to blame now but yourselves (waiters), especially if the backlog is another year (millet quote) or twice that (my estimate). Obviously they either want the knife or a few hundred dollar loan for the next year or two isn't a big deal to them.

    On the other hand waiting too long for a $200-300 knife isn't exactly my definition of suffering, that's a bit dramatic.
     
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  18. Skystorm

    Skystorm

    Oct 17, 2011
    I'd imagine the six figure down on a hotel in the middle of nowhere would have been better spent on materials and labor. Maybe it's some new millennial style business plan but I always thought things like overhead and labor came first so you can actually stay in business. I like how their updates always claim that steel is ordered for whatever model years after they took your money for it or that they are waiting on parts for things years later. They do not manufacture one single part of their knives, how does it take years to order materials?
    SK customers have just been unwittingly financing their irresponsible lifestyle, multiple moves, leasing buildings, spendy equipment, vacations, lux purchases, etc.
     
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  19. shinyedges

    shinyedges Unfaltering Love & Undeviating Will Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 5, 2012
    Well hard knowing what's "obvious" to you, when clearly you can't see plenty of what's "obvious" to everyone else. Doesn't take an "expert" to see survive! Isn't surviving! :confused:

    Continue the save survive! crusade though, it makes several things "obvious" everyone else but you apparently.


    As to me being angry, why would I be? Survive!s forum is closed :D plenty to be happy about.
     
  20. Insipid Moniker

    Insipid Moniker

    Feb 28, 2011
    So it was just kind of an off-topic digression.
     
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