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Discussion in 'Survive! Knives' started by -Lucky-, Jul 28, 2017.

  1. Oyster

    Oyster Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 2, 2011
    No, wasn't joking :)
    I'm relatively new to Survive and the GSO 3.5 is the first one I've ordered. I was aware that wait times until orders are filled can be lengthy. But since this is the first actual production I'm following, I wanted to get an approximate sense of where along in the process we are at this specific stage (cut blanks ready for grinding).
    I'm not sure where the hold ups have been in the past (sourcing material, cutting blanks, grinding, HT, assembly, sharpening?). Apologies if this was covered elsewhere and I missed it.
  2. Fancier


    Jul 1, 2012
    The bottleneck in Survive's production has been the in house finishing steps and sharpening and final assembly.
    To condense a lot of information down to a few words there was a lot more hand finishing work required on the new spec knives to meet the rather high standards of fit and finish that Guy requires before he will let a knife leave the shop with the acronym GSO (Guy Seiferd Original) on it. Guy personally performs most if not all of this hand fitting and it takes a lot of time.
    So, to come full circle, after a couple of years of struggling to produce enough GSO knives they launched the SK line which will be essentially the same knives but finished, sharpened and assembled by a contractor.
    The level of finish on the SK models won't be the same but the production volume will be a lot higher.
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  3. chiral.grolim

    chiral.grolim Universal Kydex Sheath Extension Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 2, 2008
    I would add that part of the severity of the bottle-neck was caused by a lot of blanks or handle-scales coming back from the contractors in a state deemed "unacceptable for 'firsts'" by Guy and requiring a lot of hand-work in the shop to make acceptable even as 'seconds'. Whether the Seiferds complained to their contractors about this or just swallowed it as part of doing business in their somewhat handicapped state, I don't know, but there have been handle-fitment issues, bevel-grind issues, jimping issues, etc. Whether or not most of us would care $0.02 about any given issue, they were of concern to Guy and Ellie and so the bottle-neck got further backed up. I know that when Guy and Ellie sent me my Starter 4.7, they included a note apologizing for the delay with the comment that it took them much longer to find and finish out suitable 'firsts' than they had ever imagined. I believe they meant it.

    The 4.7 was an extremely popular model. Well, the 4.1 has been even MORE popular and they continue to fill orders as quickly as they can, but the lead-time has definitely grown for "grinding" to "knife in my hand", as Fancier stated. With the new SK-line in play, high hopes for lead-times getting back to what they were for the revamp GSO-5.1 :thumbsup: But following this company definitely requires an exercise of patience, so don't go marking your calendar or anything and expect the knife to materialize unimpeded ;) I'm in for a 3.5 from the Starter campaign, so you will very likely see your 3.5 before I see mine, so rest assured that others are in this game with you and share your uncertainties when they come and your impatience when it surfaces. We get it :thumbsup:

    I do miss the days of waiting only a few months or less, but that's what the Makers 'for sale' area is for! ;)
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  4. Oyster

    Oyster Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 2, 2011
    Thank you and Fancier for the lengthy and insightful responses.
    Just to clear up one possible misunderstanding, I didn't intend to express any impatience. While I do have hopes that lead times will shrink with the new business model, I was fully aware when placing my order that it could take a while and went in with both eyes open. I'm good with that.
    And, as already expressed elsewhere, a sense of fairness suggests that maybe those who went in for the starter program should receive theirs first - without you, who knows if I would have ever been able to place my order. I do feel that your faith in the company is worthy of some reward.
    Again, thanks for all the background and insight.
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  5. Oyster

    Oyster Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 2, 2011
    Also, Chiral, I have thoroughly enjoyed your reviews on YouTube. Really most excellent. Thanks!
  6. Citori


    Sep 28, 2002
    It is best to consider the Production Schedule page as entertainment. It doesn't provide any context as to when you might receive your knife, mainly because the Survive team is not capable of knowing when that might be.

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  7. Oyster

    Oyster Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 2, 2011
    Great reply and in keeping with what others have said. I understand.

    With so many great knives out there, it's funny that so many of us are willing to get on this ride. Still, I have no doubts that I will be VERY pleased when I do get mine. In the meantime, I'll be sending the S!K team best wishes for their future success - all the while practicing optimistic patience and contemplating the vagaries of herd mentality... ;-)

    One of the herd
  8. Fancier


    Jul 1, 2012
    My reason for sticking with Survive is their extremely comfortable handles.
    There are lots of really great blades out there, but a lot fewer of them have great handles.
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  9. Oyster

    Oyster Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 2, 2011
    I have never held one, but the handles DO look excellent for a multitude of grips. The canvas micarta and textured G10 look like they're pretty awesome and I have wondered whether I made a mistake by ordering the red linen for my 3.5. I might have to get an extra set of scales if/when they become available...
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2017
  10. Hard Knocks

    Hard Knocks Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    Oyster, is there a way to contact you?
  11. Oyster

    Oyster Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 2, 2011
    Hello HK, just purchased basic subscription. Should have access to PM now.
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  12. pbubsy

    pbubsy Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 27, 2006
    Ordered a 4.1 second mid April.... hoping to have it by Christmas? Ah well, as long as it comes eventually. I'll forget about it and then one day it'll show up in the mail and I'll be stoked!
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  13. LukeTheSpook


    Jan 2, 2015
    I'm more than 150 days in on this order. But I keep orderi more. Maybe I'll get my 4.1 for myself for Christmas.
  14. Skotix


    Oct 7, 2017
    The wait................. New spec 4.1 f1. Been 433 days
    since order status changed to "awating fullfilment".

    Not going to cancel my order but it has crossed my mind several times. The fact they leave u dazed and confused about production schedules gets me the most. Its not very nice paying a good amount of money and beeing kept in the dark on yr order. Shame to see there are sooo much individual problems with this company. I own a old spec f2 4.1 wich i killed choping into a extention cord with 220v current on it, cousing the knife edge to explode leaving a hole in it. Told sk about what happend just to inform them that 3v doenst handle electricity 2 well and they offerd me to reprofile and fix it for free. Never took up there offer because i live in the Netherlands. And wasent going to pay for shipping and another 50euros for customs but it was nice of them to offer(so much for the no questions asked warranty) ... Hope ill see it soon, have a nice weekend kind regards Scott
  15. Silver Needle

    Silver Needle

    Jul 14, 2014
    At the risk of getting off topic, do you have pics of the knife now? That sounds terrible. Hopefully you weren't injured.

    The situation isn't the best now, but there's plenty of reading here on that topic if you need to commiserate. What was your order date?
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  16. LukeTheSpook


    Jan 2, 2015
    I'm at over 200 days for a second. The last email from survive was they have no estimated shipping date. "Soon" they say. I'm not going to cancel because I'll just spend the money on something I want less. I'll wait but likely by the time I get it, I'll be less Interested and I'll move it along
  17. Skotix


    Oct 7, 2017

    Orderd 30-7-16, and ill try 2 find some pictures of the damage..
  18. Skotix


    Oct 7, 2017
    And no injuries.. Just set of the switch in the fusebox.
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  19. Skotix


    Oct 7, 2017
    200+ days for a f2, thats bad thought they shipped them 90+ days.. Thought they where getting the backorders up2date. Pffff
  20. Skotix


    Oct 7, 2017
    BF User
    "I got a shipping notice for #9640 today. Hopefully Hale got his as well."

    That was in March 2017 when he received his shipping notice. My order is #9808 pls dont tell me they cant finish 168 knives in 8 months time that roughly 21 knives a month/ about 1 knife a day.. Pffff apparently they don't do the first come first serve thing.

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