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Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by eisman, Jul 15, 2018.

  1. WValtakis

    WValtakis Hand Engraving, Anodizing and Embellishment Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    May 29, 2004
    So they only took off about half the thickness before sharpening on yours?:(

    Mine will definitely be seeing a trip to the belt sander if it is the same;)
     
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  2. HeathH

    HeathH Gold Member Gold Member

    536
    Dec 3, 2013
    Thank you for your honest review! I'll be interested to see other people's behind the edge thicknesses. This is a major pet peeve of mine. I've gotten some thick BTE Case and Queen knives and put them flat on some sandpaper and ground them down to acceptable thicknesses. .025 is about the thickest I can stand - ultimately, I like slip joints because of their thin edges. .040 is kind of crazy for a knife this size
     
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  3. meako

    meako Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 4, 2006
    don't listen to em Buzz. The truth is often unpalatable.I for one admire your courage and candour for speaking your mind.
    but lets face it...you don't go round to visit someone with a new baby and say ...christ it's got an ugly head! you say awwww how cute!....Anyway i seriously doubt you will be the only one to have a whinge...but I'm proud of you for having the goods to be the first...
    I told yous we should have had a poll for grind thicknesses....but no one listens:p...everyones in too much of an all fired hurry nowadays
     
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  4. Gary W. Graley

    Gary W. Graley “Imagination is more important than knowledge" Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 2, 1999
    We'll see how they are soon enough for everyone else, but I am guessing that the grinding was a preset thing, so that being the case, some thinning may well be in order, otherwise it looks great.

    Buzz would you get some photos of yours, always a welcome thing while we're waiting on just getting the email....let alone the actual knife ;)
    G2
     
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  5. SVTFreak

    SVTFreak Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 8, 2011
    I havnt done much with mine yet, but I cut some cardboard and it zipped right through it. I'm sure I'll thin the edge out if and when I have to sharpen it but until then it cuts.
     
  6. Barman1

    Barman1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 21, 2013
    A little time on my EdgePro with the small blade attachment and all will be well in my little world.
    Compared to reprofiling 3.5" of [email protected] this will be amusingly simple and I've yet to purchase a factory blade that meets my personal specs anyway.
    Looking forward to getting mine!!
     
  7. knarfeng

    knarfeng senex morosus moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Jul 30, 2006
    I'm not certain the thickness can be generically described as an "unacceptable mistake".

    I have a lot of classic production stockman knives. A number of them are 4" long and have full flat ground blades. I measured some with a caliper. Camillus. Queen. Schrade. Utica. Buck 301 from the mid 90's when Buck used a full flat grind. The Schrade came in at ~.022" The others were in the mid 30 thou range by my measurement. 0.035 ± .002 inches. I have a Case 4" stockman, but did not count it as it is not full flat ground. It has a hollow ground clip blade, which makes it thinner immediately above the primary grind.

    The clip blade on a classic stockman was not thin like the clip blade on a trapper. It was thicker stock and designed to be used for heavy cutting jobs. Yes there were some that were in the low 20 thou thickness range. Especially those that were hollow ground. But a blade that is ~40 thou immediately above the grind is not ridiculously thick for a stockman clip blade, though it is at the high end of what I measured.
     
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  8. Will Power

    Will Power

    Jan 18, 2007
    No shipping notice but I don't expect one soon as I'm overseas in Europe. So I MIGHT get my knife for Christmas but what with our P.O. only delivering 3 days a week now...the window is small:rolleyes:

    But, I'll still have something to look forward to long after you lot have become jaded ;):D:D

    The pictures I've seen so far make me enthusiastic anyway:) Looks like a very nice knife, unique blade combo, excellent steel and inexpensive/real value. As to the debate about thickness etc, can't obviously say but I think Frank's point about the usual robustness of a Stockman Clip is important. It's not an Opinel. But, if the Forum Knife can cut open a large hard apple without splitting it and cut some decent slices of salami, you'll not find me complaining:)
     
  9. Pomsbz

    Pomsbz

    Jul 31, 2015
    It's useful that I know it's over double the thickness I like. I'll send it immediately out for a regrind.
     
  10. Jack Black

    Jack Black Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 2, 2005
    Well done for bringing this one in @skblades , you've accomplished a mammoth task :thumbsup:
     
  11. Amir Fleschwund

    Amir Fleschwund Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 29, 2008
    Buzzbait mentioned gaps.
    Maybe a few careful hammer hits on the pins?
     
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  12. jrawk

    jrawk

    962
    Jul 14, 2014
    LOL! Nobody was throwing around the words "unacceptable mistake". the bunch of us pointing out the roundhead edge thickness (me included) was to provide constructive feedback to Mike at CK to improve future runs (which it was), especially when the blade is M390 and takes a bit of time to profile.
     
  13. Maverick299

    Maverick299

    790
    Apr 12, 2014
    Does anyone know the reasoning behind the width of the long pull being cut wider on the sheepsfoot blade than on the clip?
     
  14. rishma

    rishma

    753
    Jun 22, 2008
    I wasn’t able to participate but I await pictures almost as anxiously as you gents await your package!
     
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  15. Buzzbait

    Buzzbait Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 25, 2001
    Correct. The original Roundhead was a tad thick, but not terribly bad. If memory serves me, mine measured between .025" and .028". I have lots of traditionals with the same thickness. Very normal for a traditional, but future improvement was still very welcome, as I prefer very efficient cutters. Honest feedback was given, and Mike did a great job of improving an already excellent knife on the second round.

    The new forum knife, on the other hand, is substantially thicker than the original Roundhead. Thick enough that I am not personally willing to let it go unmentioned. In my opinion, it is unacceptably thick for a knife of this size. But heck, this is just me giving my opinion. No need for everybody to get all worked up about it. If you don't mind .040", then you'll probably like the knife.
     
  16. Buzzbait

    Buzzbait Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 25, 2001
    Here are a few pics. The elk on mine is a bit lackluster, but some potassium permanganate will likely improve the contrast greatly.

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    Here are a couple pics of the spring gaps. The clip blade end has one extremely large gap. Big enough to stick two sheets of copy paper through. The blade has no lateral play, so it is unlikely to benefit from hammering the pin and re-peening.
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    The sheepsfoot end has a couple of gaps, but not nearly as large as the clip side. The sheepsfoot does have quite a bit of lateral blade play, so re-peening may help.
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    I'll be away this coming weekend, but perhaps I'll get to work on this knife next week, and see if I can fix the sheepsfoot blade play and gap, and make those elk covers stand out a bit more. Both are relatively quick and easy jobs.
     
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  17. jmh33

    jmh33 Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 16, 2003
    All quiet in 'The Rocks" !! :(Patiently awaiting my ship notice!!:D John
     
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  18. gaj999

    gaj999 Basic Member Basic Member

    924
    Jan 25, 2004
    One of the reasons I quit buying Spyderco was too thick grinds. He won't find much joy there. Thick grinds are also a pet peeve of mine. Even when I reprofile one to my standard 10dps, the thick shoulders tend to wedge where a thin blade slices. I dislike scandi grinds for that reason. On a folding knife, which by definition is a light duty knife, thick grinds are stupid. Unless you offer a lifetime warrantee against stupidity ... then it's the user that's stupid. ;)

    Edit to add: Since some folks think I'm being insulting here, I'd better explain what I was getting at. I've left the original text as it was posted, for clarity. My comment was about the lifetime warrantee. When you offer a warrantee like that, you have to design for the guys who do stupid things with your knives or you soon go out of business. So you design for the stupid user. That doesn't make all of your users stupid. Sorry if that was unclear.
     
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2018
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  19. Modoc ED

    Modoc ED Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 28, 2010
    For those that are complaining about the blade edge grind, grasp the handle of your knife with the blade spine up and place the cutting edge on the palm of your hand. Now, give the knife a yank. Are you bleeding? If so, you've got a good working edge.

    Got a gap? Quit complaining. You can use that gap to see through for guidance while cutting with your knife.

    Honest to God folks. At least wait until you have your knife in hand before complaining about it.

    @skblades - Thanks for your efforts and time.
     
  20. Xr6x

    Xr6x Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 17, 2015
    It looks like the scale pin might be a tad long causing the gap?
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