I have a funny feeling I'm getting dumped.

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I'm a total idiot myself.

Don't worry about it.

Laugh- you're a sex fiend. What's wrong with that? True or not, what's wrong with that? Your'e a spaz? What the hell is that? When you wander through the woods, do the trees think you're a spaz? Do the Birds know? Does the Earth? What nonsense. A silly college girl knows this, huh? What are you really? Do you breath? Do you care-yes!? Two arms, two legs, a nervous system and a head trying to figure it all out- just like the rest of us.

Relax. Feel the pain. Eventually put it together- and it will come together.

I'm sorry for what you're going through, but I've been there countless times.
There was nothing wrong with being 31 and a virgin. Console yourself with knowing most in these lost generations screw themselves silly and haven't a clue about that or anything else. My sister was a virgin in a swank college and they treated her like dirt because she wouldn't have a lesbian affair.

Never let the world of men be your only measure. Never.

I've stared at too many happy creosote bushes to do that.
It makes me mad to even think about the pain you're going through. If I was there I'd take you on a Munk march through the land.


munk
 
Phil, very sorry you're hurting.

Munk said pretty much everything I wanted to. It's going to suck for a while, but remember, if there's something that YOU don't like about yourself, you can change it. I used to be rather overweight, too.
 
ON the day you don't overreact, on the day these self important, too serious young women think you're a spaz and you just chuckle- that's the day you start winning. You can be fat, not terribly good looking, but get involved in intimate relationships. Just talking to people naturally will do this. You have enough humor and smarts to win. We've seen evidence aplently of that in this forum with your friends.
But I really don't want to tell you how to 'fix' it; because it may not be fixable or the right thing and there's no sense getting one's hopes dashed.

As I said before- go fishing. Go shooting. Cut some wood. REad a book. Have a cup of coffee in a posh coffee club.

When they see you living a life they'll want some.

Whatever you are- it must be good enough. Do you understand this? It must be because you're here. Don't retreat and allow others to control, judge, or put you on a subsistance diet. They have no right and you no need for that.
You may not feel like it now, but you're getting damn close to crowing time.

I've now revealed in the last month two of the only three things I know for sure.

There is very little else to munk than I've just told you now. I decided to live.


munk
 
philthygeezer said:
Talked to her last night. It is SO much worse than I thought.

Turns out she is acting strange because she thinks I'm too fat, I act strangely around other people (I'm very shy) and they think I'm a spaz, and her friends warned her about me because they think I am a sex fiend. That's why she didn't want anyone at school to know we were going out: because of what they would think of her for dating me. She told me it was because she was shy and wasn't used to dating. She hasn't trusted me from day one and still doesn't, and even when I thought it was going great and we were falling in love, she just felt rushed.

Oh yeah, and during those four months we slept together and played around but we never once had sex. Turns out she only made out with me to please me and was never into it once.

I'm 33 and I have never had a real GF. I lost my virginity at 31 to a girl who dumped me a few days later. I don't know anything about this stuff and the books I read are all ****ing wrong. I'm a total idiot and I hate myself thoroughly. I don't have a ****ing clue and it seems I never will, no matter how hard I try. I am totally alone again, and it turns out that I really was even when I thought I wasn't.

But she thinks she can 'fix' me. God, am I am hurting so badly right now...

:( :( :( :(

It's time to bail out, amigo. Really.

Someone smarter than me said, "Men feel betrayed in marriage because they think their wive's will never change, and they do. Women feel betrayed in marriage because they think their husbands will change, and they don't."

I don't have a lot of time to address your potential problems, so I'll just fire off some bullets for you to think about:

1. You might be too fat. I am. But at the risk of sounding cliche'd, there is fat, and then there is *FAT*! Make sure you are in the former category and not the latter. Myself, I've lost about 350 pounds, but gained about 345. The same damned pounds over, and over, and over again. But I am gradually shedding the weight. I need to. I've got high blood pressure and a family history of heart disease and, a daughter who needs me. (By the way, I'm 5'8" and weigh 252. I used to weigh a lot more than that. My goal is 155. I'll get there. But it's been tough. I've watched that scale display values from 246 to 257 up and down every day for a year. Drives me nuts.....)

2. Hygiene. You need to make sure you are spic and span, always. You don't need tons of aftershave. Just make sure you shower, shampoo and shave every day, at least once a day. Use deodorant. When you brush your teeth, brush each tooth in front top and back. Brush your gums. Brush the roof of your mouth and your tongue. Floss daily,and see a dentist a couple times a year at least. Bad breath is a huge turnoff.

3. Dress for success. Pick clothes that flatter your physique and fit nicely. By the way, if you are large of gut and butt, don't wear light colored slacks, wear only black, dark grey, dark blue and maybe dark brown or dark green. Keep your clothes clean and unwrinkled. I didn't say ironed, but don't wad them up in a drawer, pull them out a week later and put them on. Dress like you care about what you look like.

4. Hair. We can't all have hair like Mel Gibson or Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise. That's life. But whatever hair you have, keep it clean, keep it groomed and keep it trimmed, even if it is long.

5. Piercings. Careful. The occasional earring or post is one thing. Posts and piercings through eye brows, noses, tongues, lips and any place sends certain messages. Decide what kind of lady you want and make sure you are dressing and grooming for her.

6. Talking to girls. I know this sounds weird, but just TALK to the girls. Don't be trying to impress them, or pick them up. Just, talk. Just like you'd talk to some guys (choose your subject matter and delivery appropriately). The best way to get a girlfriend is to start with a girl -- friend. The most successful marriages I've seen started out with the guy and gal as just plain buds. From there, affection grew, and it is affection based on honest to gosh just simply liking each other, and of course learning to respect each other, which in turn grew into a committed love (not infatuation) for each other.

Never ask a girl out on a "date". After you and the lady have yakked for a while (it might be minutes or months, depending on the two of you), simply ask her if she wants to go get a coffee or a bite of lunch.

Later on as you are talking about movies you like, tell her you want to go see, say "Hidalgo" or "Lord of the Rings" or whatever, that you're planning on seeing it on Saturday (for example) and then ask her if she wants to see it with you. It ain't a "date" - it's just two folks who want to see the same movie and who - so far - kinda like each other's company.

And if she says no, THEN GO SEE THE MOVIE ANYWAY!!! Then the next time you see her, tell her about it.

Don't act hurt, or resentful or angry. You want to be Cary Grant - Mr. Smooth. You want to have grace and style.

Women don't want some moody jerk or some fellow who acts like he's going to cry if he doesn't get his way.

Be pleasant, polite, affable. If she says 'no', and no matter how she says no, just act like she said, "No, I can't eat mangos, I'm allergic to them", and say "Okay, some other time perhaps. I'll let you know if it's worth seeing." Then smile and be about your business.

There's a lady out there waiting for you, amigo. She just doesn't know it yet. All you gotta do is make youself not-unattractive and then start talking to different ladies until you stumble into her.

Don

PS: Please do think about what you WANT in a woman as far as personality. I was very specific. I wanted someone kind, warm, understanding, caring, faithful, honest, smart, with a good sense of humor.

Also, it's more important to date people who have similar value systems in common, than hobbies in common. My wife and I don't have a lot of interests in common, but we share a common value system. This year will mark our 24th year of marriage.
 
Philthy:

Well, what is wrong with a substantially built, non-viagra-needing fellow who knows how to hold his tongue? Such types are in very high demand in spite of the unkind comments you have received lately. Problems like this are mandatory for everybody though and they keep coming up from time to time in one form or another. Wait until you are married to one. Some weeks you do great, and some you are in the doghouse. This week has been kind of "semi" for me. Anyway, my sympathies are extended, but rest assured that you will be looking back and chuckling about all this before you know it.
 
P.G.

Be the type of person you want to be around.

I agree with the previous post, neat, clean, and polite is better advertising than a six pack.
 
PG,

I hate to hear about your troubles. My advice would be to take 50% of the time you spend here, and spend it on a forum with a lot of SINGLE WOMEN.

While the prospect of meeting someone nice in your day to day interactions might be minimal, you could drastically expand your choices and chances by looking online. I know of several people who have found extremely compatible people online that they would never have hooked up with if they had just restricted themselves to local people.

Also if you think she was right about the fat part start going to a gym of fitness club, or take a yoga class, those are other good places to meet women. :cool:

Don't worry. Feel bad about it now, but eventually you will find someone.
 
Thanks everybody. I'm feeling a lot better now and I think I am just going to end it with her. She is really nice, but she cares too much about what other people think of us.

Oh yeah, I am 5'9" and 190 lbs. I have a 'pot belly'.
 
philthygeezer said:
Thanks everybody. I'm feeling a lot better now and I think I am just going to end it with her. She is really nice, but she cares too much about what other people think of us.

Oh yeah, I am 5'9" and 190 lbs. I have a 'pot belly'.

That doesn't sound that fat to me. :confused:
 
philthygeezer said:
Thanks everybody. I'm feeling a lot better now and I think I am just going to end it with her. She is really nice, but she cares too much about what other people think of us.

Oh yeah, I am 5'9" and 190 lbs. I have a 'pot belly'.

Man, Phil, what I wouldn't give to be 190 again. Yeah, you could afford to lose 25 pounds to be a lean, mean fightin' machine, but if your lady is concerned about that, and if she is concerned about what other people think, then you can bet that that problem is only going to get worse, compadre.

She might be a really nice person, but, that ain't enough. Just like being in love, is not enough of a reason to get married. It takes more than that.

You deserve better, amigo. Take this weekend to relax. Let me recommend watching a good zombie movie and eating pizza with some buds. Yeah, eat the danged pizza. Start the diet on Monday. :D
 
philthygeezer said:
Thanks everybody. I'm feeling a lot better now and I think I am just going to end it with her. She is really nice, but she cares too much about what other people think of us.

Oh yeah, I am 5'9" and 190 lbs. I have a 'pot belly'.
probably the right thing to do , definitely the right reason.

never thought girls that were hung up on "public opinion" were that attractive anyway's 5'8" 190 don't worry bout the pot belly , go get some dumbbells (target , walmart 25 to 30$) do in this order , dumbbells fly's military presses and biceps curls with out putting the weights down or resting (super sets ) try and keep 5 to 6 repetitions 3 sets twice a week ( takes about 14 min )

then who cares about your belly man , you;ll have shoulders in different time zones :)


BTW 32year old 5'8" 245 pound gorilla wearing a human shirt tthat I am
has beed dating a 23 y/o ballerina for over a year ( def not on looks )
be you be funny BE CONFIDENT thats the secret and thats all
 
:(

You'll survive. Life will just suck for awhile. The main thing to do is to keep busy with other activities to keep your mind off the whole thing.

Maybe you can draw pictures with your computer with PC paint.
 
Hey Phil?

It gets waaay better.

(here's an irony: some of the sweetest, most gentle, and often LOVELY women I have met have been involved with abusive, drunken a**holes and love them dearly. Go figgur.)

Don Nelson did good post advice. Monk did too.

Exercise or not, live your life...not the one someone else wants for you.

You are not a sex fiend. I am a sex fiend. Sadly, as I age, I am currently re-evaluating my desire for a nymphomaniac, and thinking seriously about seeking a rich woman with a cleaning fetish. :)

You are at the age that women will start hearing the biological clock sounding like Big Ben in their heads. Men don't understand the feeling. We have nothing like it. A friend once told me it was like a body/soul "hunger" that was never satisfied. Be glad you weren't chosen as a "donor."

(You might actually be GLAD for this experience. Wisdom comes from hard truth.)


It gets waaay better.

Kis
 
Kismet,

What you said about the the sweet women and asses is totally true.

Not only have I see perfectly nice women go for such guys. After they broke up I have seen them go back and find another one just like the previous one.

I am still laughing about the rich woman with the cleaning fetish. :D
 
Philthy,
Seriously consider getting professional psychological help. A good counselor can help you get through this disastrous mess. Don't think you can "tough-it-out like a 'real' man. Your name says a lot about how you see yourself, and that's where it all starts. Many social service agencies offer this service on a sliding fee system based on ability to pay.
I've been there.
 
Phil- keep your name as a sardonic joke- because all of us are filthy geezers, or get rid of it as needlessly painful- your call. As for counseling, only you can know that.

There's nothing wrong with talking to a therapist- I married one- but I don't want this to be broached as if you're in deep **** and only professionals can dig you out. You aren't and they can't.

munk
 
PG: 45-70 hit the nail on the head.

You are ALWAYS going to have yourself around, so be the kind of person you can enjoy being around. If you like yourself, it will show and it will attract others. If worst comes to worst, you'll like having yourself for company.

Shyness is an epidemic but that doen't get brought out into the open cause shy people don't talk about it. Somewhere around a quarter or third of the population. And it can be dealt with. Even you can learn to handle your shyness. The things you need to learn are the things they teach psychologists in grad school about how to make clients comfortable in talking to them. Look up a books on shyness. It was maybe 25 years ago I went through that. Active listening is only one of the techniques you'll learn to use. And not just on girls.

Those techniques make YOU someone who is accessible. It isn't being phony, it's being transparent. When you are what you are, fully and openly, you are someone people can talk to with little fear of being put down.

When I worked on the Rez, I was my own department director, but there were 3 people working social services, and one memorable fine day I had all 3 come in to spill their guts to me ( about the other 2 ). The substance abuse coordinator and the tribal chairman came later in the week. Let me give you a clue. Better yet, make it a law. This law goes: professionals ( psychologists, social workers, psychiatrists ) who have been taught these techniques NEVER BUT NEVER CATCH ON when you use these techniques on them. They are too happy to find someone who is an incredibly nice person to talk to.

Oh yes, I remember feeling that I was going to make it as a social worker the day I realized I'd just sent my boss across the street to get me a diet coke.

I guess I must be cured of shyness now. At the last Reno Convention, Uncle Bill asked me to talk on the handle modifications I'd done to my khuks with about 3 minutes warning. I did, maybe not so well, but I did it without my stomach getting butterflys. God, I've come a long ways.

;) :D
 
Rusty, your presentation at the Reno convention was excellent. Great khukuris and great commentary as well. Definitely one of the highpoints of the Khonvention.

--Josh
 
I got one right?

Thank god I didn't share the part about how to put the grease paint on so that she'd not see your face when you were looking in her window at 3 a.m. huh?
 
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