Introduction/advice on CAK

Discussion in 'Himalayan Imports' started by Amko, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. George Azar

    George Azar Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 18, 2017
    I'll weigh it later. It's not light enough for a fighting knife and not as front heavy as a CAK.
     
  2. davidf99

    davidf99 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Sep 27, 2011
    I've had two Ultimate Fighters (only have one now). One was 17.5" long and 36 oz. The other was 18" long and 31 oz.

    The very early Ultimate Fighters tended to be even bigger and heavier. However, I consider any knife around two pounds in weight to be overkill as a fighter and probably too heavy for most people to use effectively. Historically there were warriors who could wield very heavy blades, such as the Scottish Claymore, but these were big, strong guys who trained with similar weapons (or farm implements) all their lives. If someone wants to become a Viking Berserker and cleave people in two, it might be better to get one of the HI Tarwars, which are well-suited for that and can be wielded two-handed.

    For example:

    Tarwar29in-Bura46oz-SouthDakotaElkBone01.jpg Tarwar29-YoungSher41oz-for-Dave-02cr.jpg Tarwar29-Lokendra59oz-02a.jpg

    These are all 29" overall length. The first is by Bura, with a South Dakota Elk Bone handle, and weighs 46 oz. The second is by Young Sher, and weighs 41 oz. The third is by Lokendra and weighs a whopping 59 oz.
     
  3. George Azar

    George Azar Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 18, 2017
    Thanks for sharing. Those are very beautiful blades! I agree with you on the fighting knives. I've had several "combat Bowie fighters" from back in the '80's. Looking for that fast moving blade. Tempered properly, thin is definitely better for that!
     
  4. George Azar

    George Azar Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 18, 2017
    I checked Arkansas knife laws and no law prohibiting the use of this knife.....at my house and not carried....for self defense!
    YYYYEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

    Pretty much can carry this knife, if no intent to use it for an act of violence!
    However, like concealed carry laws for guns, it depends on the judge and prosecuting attorney!

    We better know our laws !!!
     
  5. ndoghouse

    ndoghouse

    Aug 26, 2010
    Best to know your DA and have record of asking he or her:thumbsup:
     
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  6. George Azar

    George Azar Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 18, 2017
    Agreed!!!
     
  7. Amko

    Amko

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    Jun 15, 2017
    Greetings all. The sheath doesn't hold the CAK as snugly as I would like. On some googling, I learnt keeping the sheath (minus the khuk) in the sun for 2-4 hours might help shrink the leather and hopefully ensure a better fit. But to be on the safe side I sent out for a peel and stick self-adhesive leather patch which I'll need to cut appropriately and apply on the inside - unless the 'dry in the sun' thing works. Speaking of the sun, we are in the middle of the monsoon here (June thru September, sometimes later), and the days are mostly dark and gloomy, so no question of that technique being effective, really. Would anyone have any similar experiences with the patch method?
     
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  8. davidf99

    davidf99 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Sep 27, 2011
    Amko:

    Here's a thread by ndoghouse that describes a simple and effective way to tighten a loose sheath:

    https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/how-to-fix-a-loose-fitting-scabbard-sheath.1137621/

    If you can find a good leatherworker out your way, you can have a custom sheath made for your CAK. I traded my first HI Ultimate Fighter, but more recently I got another HI UF at auction that came with a custom sheath. I don't remember what I paid for the UF, but I recall thinking that it was less than what the sheath alone was worth. Here it is:

    UltimateFighter17.5in-Vim36oz-01-Walnut.jpg UltimateFighter17.5in-Vim36oz-03-Walnut.jpg UltimateFighter17.5in-Vim36oz-05-Walnut.jpg
     
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  9. Amko

    Amko

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    Jun 15, 2017
    Thanks for sharing David, you come thru every time, much obliged and will study this detailed post...very helpful tips. That said, will be a while before my patch gets here. The only self adhesive patch (25 x 50 cm piece actually) I could source was on AliExpress.com and located in China.
     
  10. Amko

    Amko

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    Jun 15, 2017
    David: your khukuri and that custom sheath...gorgeous!
     
  11. Amko

    Amko

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    Jun 15, 2017
    Update: Just checked on the khukuri in its scabbard post liberal application of mineral oil to the blade. It is a snug fit at this time, weird...turned the khuk upside down and tried to shake it out, no dice. I guess that's a good thing? Probably surface tension?
     
  12. George Azar

    George Azar Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 18, 2017
    Davidf99, I'm glad to know that was you that won that UF. I was watching it as well! I don't think I bid on it but that sparked a love for that knife that is becoming my favorite!
     
  13. George Azar

    George Azar Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 18, 2017
    If I remember right, it sold for $214 plus shipping. A great deal! I remember the person saying he paid over $200 to have the sheath made!
     
  14. Amko

    Amko

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    Jun 15, 2017
    I take it back...what I said about my (loose) sheath.

    I learnt there is a technique to wedge the khukuri into the scabbard.

    - Push the buttcap in, ensure the blade hits the very end of the scabbard
    - Using the handle wedge the blade into the narrower side of the opening

    Turning it upside down now causes no worries. It's snug as a bug in a rug.
     
  15. davidf99

    davidf99 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Sep 27, 2011
    It's probably a lot more humid in your part of India, compared with the Yangdu's dry Nevada climate. (I think you mentioned monsoon season on the way.) High humidity might cause the wood in the sheath to swell a bit and grip your blade more firmly. The difference between loose and tight can be only a small fraction of a millimeter.

    Conventional wisdom is that drying out a sheath will make it shrink; conversely, moisture will make it expand. However, it doesn't always work that way. Moisture might make the walls of the sheath become slightly thicker, thus gripping the blade. There are two different materials involved: the wood of the sheath and the leather wrapping around the wood. If the wood swells more than the leather, the outside dimensions might remain the same while the inside space gets smaller.

    However, you're also right that how you insert the blade makes a difference. I've found that for some HI khukuris the grippy part is not the blade itself but the little lip on the metal bolster where the blade meets the handle. The blade doesn't feel tight in the sheath until it is pushed all the way in so that the lip engages. For most khukuris, however, the entire blade (or at least the part near the spine) grips the inside of the sheath.
     
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  16. Amko

    Amko

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    Jun 15, 2017
    Excellent analysis and thanks for sharing.

    Plus, in the case of this sheath, one side of the lip was narrower, and wedging it towards that side currently seems to do the job.
     
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  17. Amko

    Amko

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    Jun 15, 2017
    Hopefully the heat will be back in October and I look forward to putting that insight to the test.
     
  18. ndoghouse

    ndoghouse

    Aug 26, 2010
    If you adjust the sheath so that the friction fit is on the spine rather than the habaki then you will have a much more reliable and safer retention method. If you rely on cramming it in so hard that the habaki part of the bolster only retains it then you will be disappointed when it slips only a quarter inch out and is then loose as a goose. If you force the knife so hard into the sheath that the habaki retains it then you are likely splitting the wood apart and the stretched leather then acts like a spring to retain it. What happens then is if the leather is dry its tight and if its humid then its loose. Your relying on the leather moisture content to retain your knife. That's not good and unsafe and unreliable. If you use the spine to adjust it then you got much more (several inches sometimes) before it becomes loose enough to fall out of its sheath. The spines distal taper acts like a wedge and contacts the leather covered wood without relying on splitting the wood open with the leather stretched over it for retention. Much safer to use as designed.

    Dang cool blade David! Looks like Pugs quality!
     
  19. Amko

    Amko

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    Jun 15, 2017
    I hear you ndog. Thanks.

    I am now positioning it so as to make the spine flush with the wooden space as opposed to the edge. Turned it upside down... It is staying in ok!
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2017
  20. George Azar

    George Azar Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 18, 2017
    Amko there is a new post for a Magnum CAK. That's what you need, sir!
     

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