Spyderco price increases and higher MAP pricing

Discussion in 'Spyderco' started by RamZar, Nov 28, 2017.

  1. Yonose

    Yonose

    Jul 10, 2017
    True dat;us junkies allays gonna b!$# bout havin ta cough upnatha $5! Even if I can’t recall paying map on any spyderco knife, and I have dozens now and another dozen in the mail from this Black Friday, its still a habit. The best producers like spyderco can charge 8% more, in fact they have to in order to stay profitable, just like producers of food, cars, soap and everything else. Thomas Jefferson bemoaned inflation 200 years ago, but corporations gotta stay afloat too!
    It will be worth it if they make cruwear production models of their current s110v lineup,which come to think of it nobody would own a pocket laser if it weren’t for Spyderco. God Bless America
     
  2. Chris "Anagarika"

    Chris "Anagarika"

    Mar 7, 2001
    I’m in the same opinion as Beak14, though I’ll put it this way:

    The change means higher price most people will end up paying. Whether it directly increases profits for Spyderco or dealers, we as buyer do not have enough information.

    It is a free market where buyer will decide based on their preferences, perceived value from all competing makers/brands. At the end of the day the market will find it’s dynamic balance.

    Spyderco as company needs to thrive to continue what they have been doing. I believe they also would have factored in mass buyer vs aficionados, and done their homework in making the decision, what is the percentage of different types of buyers and how to achieve optimum outcomes (volume x price), that allows them to continue in the direction they are going.

    Personally I like Spyderco and have more of their products than other production knife brand. When I make purchases, it’s always individually evaluated (including impulses and hype from forum), and whether I can afford it or not. Life needs & priorities change also with time.

    One day perhaps a model from Spyderco at certain selling price is right. On different occasion, perhaps something else from others. It’s a dynamic interplay.

    I appreciate that Sal and his core team post here and try to establish communication with end users. It doesn’t happen often in these days and this engagement add positive value in the purchase considerations, along with other factors.

    In short, it’s what it is. ;)
     
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  3. jbmonkey

    jbmonkey Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jun 9, 2011
    map or no map....never been a fan on knives using it. spyderco did it better and is still doing it better than benchmade, without a doubt.

    ill just judge each knife independently and whatever the price is if its worth it to me ill buy. if not ill pass.
     
  4. madcap_magician

    madcap_magician Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2005
    Thanks Kristi. I think I speak for a lot of Spyderco's fans when I say that you've got our trust as a company, and we understand prices go up and that both the companies and the dealers we've grown to trust have earned their profits and should have them.

    This part is not directed at you, really, but I do kind of think that the rising prices are lifting all boats, but not all boats seem to justify it to me. The creeping increases on Seki City knives don't seem to really be worth it since the materials and quality have not changed. They are high-quality knives, but the value ratio between quality and price is inching down because of the price changes. I'm not sure if the price increases there are subsidizing the explosion in higher-end Golden and Taichung knife variety we've seen in recent years, but if so, I guess it would all be a wash- no, I don't really want to pay more for a Delica, but on the other hand, if that's meaning I pay a bit less for the great stuff you have coming out of Taichung and the dealer exclusives out of Golden, I guess it's all even in the end.
     
  5. BMCGear

    BMCGear Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 4, 2014
    Anytime there is a price increase there will be complaints. But I do understand that it has to happen. I'm in agreement with what several have said. I don't believe @Sal Glesser to be an evil greedy corporate type guy. He truly seems to be a knife enthusiast who wants to better the community, employ good people, and feed his family.

    With that being said I absolutely HATE MAP. Here's why; it's not being followed correctly in my mind. When I bought my first bass I walked into a music store and they were $75 higher than Musician's Friend. I asked them, hey, can you guys price match this? MF was selling at MAP and the store was selling at MSRP. They replied: on this model we can do better and knocked the price down $20 more than MAP! I bought it right there. A few years later I'm in the market for another bass and MF was having a sale on that bass. They could not meet/beat the sale price but they did discount MAP and through in some extras.

    MAP stands for Minimum Advertised Pricing which means that they can't advertise lower. But if you email a knife dealer and ask for a better deal they will reply no, we can't sell you this knife at any less because of MAP. MAP was never supposed to be price fixing and in any other hobby or industry that I've been in it hasn't.
     
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  6. joeldworkin307

    joeldworkin307 Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 2, 2012
    Well, I guess it's back to heroin for me.
     
  7. RamZar

    RamZar Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 3, 2013
    Most of the Japanese-made Spydercos with G-10 are overpriced and will be more so after the MAP adjustment. There's nothing fancy about them. Of course, that's assuming the MSRP on them will not increase.

    MAP1 is 40% off MSRP and MAP2 is 35% off MSRP.

    Code:
    MODEL ............... --MSRP- --MAP1- --MAP2-
    Stretch2 ............ $349.95 $209.97 $227.47
    Chinook4 ............ $339.95 $203.97 $220.97
    Opus ................ $334.95 $200.97 $217.72
    Karahawk Black ...... $329.95 $197.97 $214.47
    Tatanka ............. $329.95 $197.97 $214.47
    D'Allara ............ $319.95 $191.97 $207.97
    Lil' Temperance3 .... $319.95 $191.97 $207.97
    Karahawk ............ $299.95 $179.97 $194.97
    Civilian ............ $299.95 $179.97 $194.97
    Police4 ............. $289.95 $173.97 $188.47
    Ouroboros ........... $289.95 $173.97 $188.47
    
     
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  8. ToxicBot11

    ToxicBot11

    729
    Apr 28, 2013
    So the price of a Maxamet Para2 will go from $179.97 to $194.99?
     
  9. RamZar

    RamZar Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 3, 2013
    ParaMilitary2 Maxamet Dark Gray G-10 has MSRP of $299.95 and current MAP of $179.97 and new MAP of 194.97. That's assuming that the MSRP will not increase.
     
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  10. knife_fan

    knife_fan Gold Member Gold Member

    387
    May 1, 2012
    I haven't bought a new Benchmade from a dealer since they went to MAP pricing. The value doesn't seem to be there anymore.

    Spyderco still had value when they went to the original MAP pricing. With the new pricing their value seems to be starting to diminish.
     
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  11. knife_fan

    knife_fan Gold Member Gold Member

    387
    May 1, 2012
    duplicate, ignore
     
  12. knife_fan

    knife_fan Gold Member Gold Member

    387
    May 1, 2012
    duplicate, ignore
     
  13. Leftytwogunz

    Leftytwogunz

    Apr 30, 2013
    Oh no. Price on an additional knife that we don't need went up 5%. What's that boil down to, less than a tip at a restaurant, right?
    In my opinion, if this additional 5% breaks the bank you should really be sorting some other things out in life.
     
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  14. miltmaldo

    miltmaldo Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 5, 2012
    I just got my first spyderco that's not a sprint In a long time . Paid full price for a discontinued Slysz $300 this will be my last none PM2 or sprint Manix, or Caly that I'll buy . I just don't see any value in them . And I'm not alone . When you see great knives like the southard and the domino get discontinued it's not because people don't like them it's because they are over priced when compared with ZT and others .
     
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  15. jbmonkey

    jbmonkey Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jun 9, 2011
    yeah its not so much that. its that other brands might offer more value argument on certain knives compared. im not personally saying that myself as i see spyderco offering lots of value on some of their knives. just saying some will see that when comparing a new knife.
     
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  16. nick21

    nick21

    Feb 22, 2014
    It's becoming increasingly difficult to justify the price of some of these designs to myself when d2 is becoming a common sight for around $50.

    I wish Spyderco the best, but I'm not sure this is going to benefit them competition-wise
     
  17. BenjaminRush

    BenjaminRush Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 17, 2015
    I admit that I am a Spyderco fanboy so take this as you will.

    Compared to other large production brands, Spyderco's quality of build, variety of materials, number of sprints/specials/exclusives, creativity/thoughtfulness of design, and ever-evolving lineup make for a brand that is unparalleled in the knife world.

    While I would appreciate it if they gave me all their knives for free, a 5% price increase does not suddenly eliminate the value I see in Spyderco. Their knives are certainly not 5% away from being "just ok." I would argue that despite the increase they make some of the best dollar-for-dollar cutting tools out there.

    Although, I also think providing free Spydercos to the BF people and letting everyone else pay MSRP would be a nice alternative strategy.
     
  18. miltmaldo

    miltmaldo Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 5, 2012
    There is no value in most spyderco take for instance Positron $170 now they sell for $100 and they still in stock . Best value they have GB2 even when you add the 5% that will make it $147 still a great value .
     
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  19. AlwaysTomboy

    AlwaysTomboy Gold Member Gold Member

    748
    Jan 31, 2016
    Thanks for crunching some of the numbers. I admit it's probably mostly psychological since, at the end of the day, a price difference of $15-$25 isn't going to make or break me, but I can justify the lower number in my head a lot easier than I can the higher one. I'm totally a Spyderco fangirl at heart and there's no question the company puts out a high quality product that I'll continue to buy, but with the higher prices, I can see me opting either for fewer purchases or more of the mid range knives and holding out for sales to get the higher priced ones that I want.
     
  20. 731Chopper

    731Chopper Platinum Member Platinum Member

    299
    May 25, 2017
    This certainly affects the value equation.
     

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