Tidings and the return of Schatt and Morgan?

Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by mrknife, Oct 9, 2020.

  1. Easyrider

    Easyrider Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 31, 2000
    Thank you very much.
  2. Mass1632

    Mass1632 Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 24, 2019
    Im not a fan of gec business model either and it seems people think marketing is only advertisement. Though i do think it was implied pretty well that these knives are mostly hard to get because of the dealers. They have their “favorite” customers instead of selling straight up. I agree with a few others and would prefer to send my money to a different company like schatt and morgan. Hopefully this new rendition is successful. Gec needs competition, we all win if that happens. You already have to be careful to tiptoe around the gec apologists when discussing their possible flaws.
  3. Pàdruig

    Pàdruig Live and Let Die Platinum Member

    Dec 1, 2016
    I have never experienced this - but, to be fair, I don't shop with all of the dealers. The ones that I do shop with don't play favorites - I win some and I lose some (that's a fact).

    But if you do have evidence that dealers play favorites, then please, by all means - that's what the GB&U is for, I'd love to hear of them and I'm sure we would all benefit from knowing who we need to stay away from.

    I absolutely agree - that's something that everyone should be excited about.

    I'm a GEC fan - I guess that makes me an unapologetic apologist (see what I did there? :cool:). No one should tiptoe around anyone here, I sure don't. If an argument is to be made, I'll always back it up and I expect those I'm having a discussion with to do the same.

    I am generally supportive of GEC but I'm free with my criticism where it is is warranted (usually by way of QC issues, pattern execution, and bone production). Their business model warrants no criticism, in my opinion, and if one thinks it does - 1.) I'd like to see what alternative model would be suggested and 2.) how one thinks S&M might differ and meet the same level of success.

    One still has to bear in mind that no one knows GEC's business better than Bill and his crew - so a lot of what we might discuss regarding what they should or should not do is apt to be pure speculation.

    (One caveat to some of this is that I credit a fair amount of my success to the good relationships that I've made here. If I miss out on a run or am looking for a specific variant - more than once, a friend here has helped me out.)
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  4. Jiki

    Jiki Basic Member Basic Member

    Jun 12, 2018
    The knives are hard to get because of math.
    The current run of 74s is said to be 200 knives per cover, times 4 covers equals 800 knives. There are 1700 members in the one FB GEC club I am in. That's just one club. Demand far out paces supply that is what makes it hard to get a knife. That also is the starting point for everything else that irritates you. You may believe that the way the knives are sold is not "fair" however that is not the reason they are hard to come by. You are correct that more options for the consumer is and will be better.
  5. Will Power

    Will Power

    Jan 18, 2007
    Single spring, Californian Clip/Coping. I think from the 2006 series

  6. HEMI 49

    HEMI 49 Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 9, 2018
    I don't agree that dealers can't play favorites...... If a customer is loyal to a dealer why is it wrong for the dealer to show preferred status to that customer?..... Many on here boast about their favorite dealer cherry picking the best stag, closest centering and other attributes because they are loyal customers and the dealer takes care of their wants and whims..... If I give a dealer 95% of my business, I think I should be near the front of the line..... If I'm not at the front of the line then I'll go somewhere where I will be...... This is what building customer/supplier relationships is about.....
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  7. JohnDF

    JohnDF Gold Member Gold Member

    May 14, 2018
    I'm hoping the new S&M knives will have GEC-like quality builds...
    But with better jigging on their bone and more consistent actions from one model to the next.
    I see this as GEC's biggest knocks.
    Dare to dream. :D
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  8. knifeswapper

    knifeswapper Knife Peddler Dealer / Materials Provider

    Sep 3, 2004
    That is an understandable point of view for someone that spends a good bit on knives. But the guy that can just purchase a couple knives a year and eagerly awaits that perfect pattern in that perfect handle may not agree when your dealer takes it out of his hand and ships it to you. Dealers show appreciation in many ways; I just don't agree that it has to be purely by a customers spend. But, there are dealers that don't agree and have their list of preferred customers - just make sure you stay on it ;)

    Dealers make the decisions they make and live with the consequences. Any dealer that loses your friendship or business is the worse for it.
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  9. Norcaldude

    Norcaldude Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 19, 2014
    How does a dealer know that you are giving them 95% of your business?
    What about a dealer that sells an exclusive product, like a knife with an arrowhead on it? Most people give that dealer 100% of their knife-with-an-arrowhead business. Who gets the special treatment then?
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  10. HEMI 49

    HEMI 49 Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 9, 2018
    I really don't care how a dealer runs his business...... Customers will find a dealer that they can warm up to and feel comfortable with..... If I want to have a relationship devoid of any loyalty or appreciation I could spend my dollars at Cabela's, Amazon, etc....
    My point was I like to take care of those that take of me...... I don't believe in participation trophies..... I expect to earn anything I receive.....
  11. Easyrider

    Easyrider Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 31, 2000
    You and me both! I do expect that there will probably be some growing pains and a learning curve for the new Schatt & Morgan company.
    I am but a simple Civil Engineer, according to my Wife an emphasis on “simple”, but I would think a the first couple of products out of the factory would be a single blade pattern in 1095 steel. I would also think they are probably looking at popular and easy cover materials. A wood of some sort like ebony, it always seems to be popular. A smooth bone until they get a jigging pattern they like and possibly a synthetic like a micarta of some sort.
    Maybe I am wrong here but I would think that something like a single bladed copperhead or barlow pattern would be easier to construct than a stockman for example. Select handle cover materials that are easy to do and fairly popular for the first few runs of knifes. This way bugs in the process can be ironed out and build from there to more complicated knife designs with various stainless steel blades.
    I am sure Mr. Cooper has already thought of this and is making good decisions.

    I really do hope to see the new Schatt & Morgan knives have build quality that rivals GEC because GEC really does produce great knives.
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  12. GeofS

    GeofS “Nostra-bladus” Platinum Member

    Mar 9, 2018
    One of the things that really irks me about GEC’s distribution is how if you follow the links for several of their authorized dealers, it takes you directly to the Bay. That doesn’t sit right with me. :thumbsdown:

    Now back on topic, this lovely S&M keystone English jack came today. It’s gorgeous and its fit and finish are superb. It has joined one of my modern/traditional edc pairings...
    I love it! :)
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  13. HEMI 49

    HEMI 49 Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 9, 2018
    That is a beauty!!..... You could almost whip that out in church and trim the wick on the prayer candle.......
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  14. GeofS

    GeofS “Nostra-bladus” Platinum Member

    Mar 9, 2018
    Thank you! I’m really loving these S&M’s. Ordered another one today! :thumbsup:

    I can’t wait to see this brand’s revival! :)
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  15. Will Power

    Will Power

    Jan 18, 2007
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  16. Onebigbill

    Onebigbill Gold Member Gold Member

    May 21, 2019
    Beautiful knife. I like everything about it. Being originally from Pennsylvania, I love the Keystone shield that S&M used on some of their knives.
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  17. Will Power

    Will Power

    Jan 18, 2007
    @Onebigbill Thank you Bill :thumbsup: No longer mine I'm afraid, gave it away :)

    Regards, Will
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  18. Peregrin

    Peregrin Traditional Forum Moderator Moderator Gold Member

    Sep 2, 2004
    Let's keep the pictures of traditional knives only, please.
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  19. GeofS

    GeofS “Nostra-bladus” Platinum Member

    Mar 9, 2018
  20. mrknife

    mrknife Gold Member Gold Member

    May 9, 2010
    whoa i didnt even know something like that is still floating around! i do hope to see more single blade english jacks in the long run

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