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Why do knife snobs hate Cold Steel??

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by sharp lupo, Oct 11, 2010.

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  1. jazub

    jazub Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 6, 2010
    i'm almost certainly going to do this then. thanks for the info, sharp lupo :thumbup::thumbup:
  2. crom


    Mar 29, 2007
    "Like CS top of the line steels vs others top of the line steel in the same price range.
    I would put my money on my D2 and VG-10 vs the 8A, LOL!! "

    I'm talking about the lock strength tests in particular, should have been more specific. I have knives of those steel types you've mentioned also. I'm not saying AUS8A is in same category as D2 in terms of edge retention etc, I get that. And Flatmtbr, who checks the tightness of the pivot screw upon arrival? i don't think I have ever done that prior to using any knife. By your logic I ought to have checked the torque on my 2010 Toyota's lugnuts before driving the car off of the lot?
  3. Ankerson

    Ankerson Knife and Computer Geek Platinum Member Gold Member

    Nov 2, 2002

    AUS-8A will bend long before it breaks, believe me I know, I have bent it before and straightened it out more than once on a few AUS-8 knives. ;)

    154CM will snap.
  4. RafaelHerschel


    Jun 19, 2010
    I saw that video the day it was posted. Useful test. Disappointing result for the Manix 2. Especially because it is advertised as having a very strong lock.

    Personally I would have preferred the Manix 2 with a back lock.
  5. waynejitsu


    Oct 1, 2002
    I understand about locks, clips, etc, etc, however, the purpose of a knife is to "Cut".
    If using properly, a knife would not close as the pressure is in the opposite direction when slicing, push cutting, etc.
    "If" I was worried about the lock, such as a fighting knife, I would (and do) use a fixed blade. (I do also understand we all have different needs in a knife and for me, cutting and edge retention is on top)

    As far as checking the pivot screw, as soon as I get a knife, it is one of the first things I do, LOL!!
    I am left handed and I check the pivot screw, usually it is too tight, but not always,
    Then, I install the clip on the "right side" :)
    Next, I oil the knife and that night, work it in, smooth it out and make sure all is adjusted to my liking..., but that's probably just me..., I like knives, LOL!
  6. waynejitsu


    Oct 1, 2002
    Why would you bend your blade?
    I have a simple rule...,
    I never cut with my pry bar and I never pry with my cutting tools.
    When cutting, all the pressure in concentrated down, towards what I am cutting, never side to side..., it does not cut as well on the side of the blade, LOL!!
  7. Ankerson

    Ankerson Knife and Computer Geek Platinum Member Gold Member

    Nov 2, 2002
    Testing knives over the years. :)
  8. cziv


    Nov 24, 2005
    That is my exact routine too. I want my folder dialed in immediately. I don't think you're alone on that. ;)
  9. RafaelHerschel


    Jun 19, 2010
    Properly use? Accidents will happen. Almost all my folders pass a spine wack test with flying colors. Why would I accept less?

    Also, I expect my knives to function properly out of the box.

    I understand that it’s unreasonable to expect a folder to behave like a fixed blade, but I don’t routinely carry a fixed blade for practical reasons.
  10. marthinus

    marthinus KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 10, 2006
    Off topic a bit:

    Though I think these videos would be entertaining I do not think we will ever see a knife fail in a company video. That would just be damn poor marketing of a brand. No one would advertise how good a knife is by showing what it takes to fail. Poor marketing guy would get fired immediately.

    We will never know how many knives were broken, bent, failed in any videos as they can stop, cut and edit till it shows what they want it to show for their marketing.

    I actually wish we could get videos of knives tested on the CATRA machines. I dont know why, I just like a machine that could do precise measurements and variables are all but eliminated. Even then no one would do such tests and show where the knives weak points are.

    As for the original question. Everyone has their own opinion in these threads. Some will like CS others wont....Personal opinion.....trying to force someone out of their opinion will result in a few heated debates. S-E-A-R-C-H is your friend if you do not want to start a fire war.

    Personally, their designs and AUS8 steel, black blades and handle shapes mostly do not appeal to my taste, so I have not bought one. Have used a few and they do what knives do. Cut.
  11. sharp lupo

    sharp lupo

    Oct 11, 2010

    No worries man glad to help. Check his wedsite out for some pics of re handled CS knives. Really nice guy and Ive heard nothing but good things about him and his work.
  12. waynejitsu


    Oct 1, 2002
    OK, makes sense now:)
  13. Ankerson

    Ankerson Knife and Computer Geek Platinum Member Gold Member

    Nov 2, 2002
    AUS-8A might not hold an edge like ZDP and some others but it's very tough and impact resistant. It makes for a good working knife steel because of that.
  14. waynejitsu


    Oct 1, 2002
    Yeah, I like the knives "perfect", to my liking.
    A lot of it has to do with the excitement of getting a new knife too. After adjusting, etc, it is not too much for me to watch TV and open/close the knife for hours, smoothing it out, breaking it in, finding any type of defect (such as a dragging blade, etc) and working all the "bugs" out.
    It;s cool getting a "new toy" :jerkit: (that may be the motion of a new knife getting broke in:thumbup:
  15. waynejitsu


    Oct 1, 2002
    I guess that is why I do not care for 8A. (cziv called me a "steel snob" :) That's cool, I guess I am, the better it cuts, the longer it holds an edge, the better for my uses.
    I never bend or have any type of "impact" to my blades, I ONLY use them to cut.
    I also own hammers, pry bars, screw drivers, etc and if it is hard to cut such as wire or cable, I also have wire cutters, cable cutters and bolt cutters.
    It is always best to use the right tool for the job.
    BTW, I love the ZDP too!!
  16. Ankerson

    Ankerson Knife and Computer Geek Platinum Member Gold Member

    Nov 2, 2002
    You think... ;)

    I pushed the American Lawman harder than the Manix 2, hard enough to bend the tip on it so I did something. Put it in my vise and straightened it back out. ;)

    The Manix 2 tip snapped right off like a dry twig, I knew that would happen before I even started the test though.

    Different steels react differently to stress.

    I can't believe you are still bellyaching over that test, it's long done and over, Spyderco fixed the small problem so it's over and done with.
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2010
  17. cziv


    Nov 24, 2005
    I told you waynejitsu it was a joke - cuz of the thread title ya know? You were right about what you said though VG-10 being tougher and all. Subtlety isn't your strong suit in humor or you're "jerking" my chain. Haven't figured it out yet?

    I know one good knife was my CS Rajah 1 - the most major score ever on closeout - $99, or 2 for $150. They're selling for about $200 on fleabay now :eek:

    I should have put off buying my annual 100 Silver Eagles and bought a boatload of Rajah 1's! :eek:
  18. waynejitsu


    Oct 1, 2002
    I am just "messin' with ya..., it's all good- :jerkit: :D
  19. GrinderMcgee


    Jun 23, 2008
    Ok, so similar knives with better steel but no specific candidates. Seems to me you have an opinion, but no relevant information to back it up.

    It seems to me anyone who is complaining about Cold Steel being so terrible are just into folding knives.

    I will concede that yes, the old Voyager(VG-1) would have not been my pick over a Kershaw either for EDC, regardless of steel. If I were into the tacfolder, but I am not.

    Folders are just the tip of the iceburg in the CS catalog, other manufacturers it is the entire table of contents. Great if you like folders, not so much if you are looking for something more.

    BTW everybody SMIII is the premium CS material, not AUS8 anymore.
  20. singularity35


    Mar 1, 2010
    I'd like to see Spyderco's lock breaking testing machine in action, testing a wide range of brands and models.
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