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New 14 run

Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by olywa, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. NewBlades16

    NewBlades16 Gold Member Gold Member

    780
    Dec 28, 2015
    That definitely sounds like a permanent fix!
     
  2. waverave

    waverave Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jun 7, 2018
    The purpose is to discuss yes...when it turns into bashing it belongs in another sub forum. Its called Whine and Cheese.
     
  3. Ramrodmb

    Ramrodmb Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 9, 2010
    I don't see any bashing.
    In discussion there is room for both sides. Accolades and criticisms. All expressed in a friendly manner, as far as I see.
    Let's get back on the topic of 14's.


    Love this one! A special gift from a great friend who wished to remain anonymous!
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  4. Leslie Tomville

    Leslie Tomville Gold Member Gold Member

    883
    Dec 19, 2016
    If SMKW is interested in settling questions, I hope they will let us know if Bob Cargill is receiving some form of compensation from the Cripple Creek knives. The name was built on the sweat of his brow.

    I understand that business is business @JohnDF . Apparently Cargill let the license lapse and others picked it up gratis. That is his fault, but I do not believe he has received a penny. Just because something is legal, does not make it right. At the very least, consumers should know.

    And if it were not for nostalgia and an interest in the history of these knives, I doubt the Traditionals Subforum would exist. Heck, "getting swept up into the nostalgia" is probably why I collect traditional folders anyway. It certainly is not for profit or a practical need for a few dozen knives.

    Part of me wants to agree with @JohnDF . It is good to see the logo carried into the future, but I cannot separate the man from the brand that he created. As Frank wrote, we all have our own opinions. Mine are just the ramblings of a nostalgic old fool who believes that sometimes you should do more than you are legally required to. But I certainly understand and respect the opinion of others.
     
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  5. JohnDF

    JohnDF Gold Member Gold Member

    May 14, 2018
    The only way Bob Cargill should be receiving any compensation is if it was written into the sale of his brand.
    Sorry, I know it's easy to get swept up into the nostalgia of these products, but business is business. From what I have gathered, the brand was sold not stolen. I think that SMKW carrying on the brand name is a testament to the man and the CC name, especially since it's being made in a quality factory here in the Good 'ol USA. Posted with all due respect to the man and his fans.
     
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  6. knarfeng

    knarfeng senex morosus moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Jul 30, 2006
    I don't see any bashing. Discussions often include dissenting opinions. Nothing wrong with that, as long as everyone is friendly about it and remembers that opinions are like belly buttons. We all got one and the next guy's is just as good as ours.
     
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  7. waverave

    waverave Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jun 7, 2018
    That is a mighty fine gift Mark :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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  8. Ramrodmb

    Ramrodmb Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 9, 2010
    Thanks Darren. I think so too! It gives me a good feeling every time I see it or use it.
     
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  9. JB in SC

    JB in SC Gold Member Gold Member

    May 19, 2001
    @r8shell

    Epoxy would probably work just fine, but a high content oil wood like ebony requires cleaning with acetone first. I might consider a super glue like Zap a Gap. I used it for years building RC planes. It's not as viscous as regular super glues.
     
  10. DelOro

    DelOro Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 17, 2016
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  11. mightyzaa

    mightyzaa Gold Member Gold Member

    47
    Nov 1, 2014
    any bone handled CC shields popping out? or just the micartas?
     
  12. waverave

    waverave Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jun 7, 2018
    So far just the micartas. If the jigged bone or stag versions have popped off I didn't see it in this thread. It has been confirmed that all of them are glued. For whatever reason, there just wasn't sufficient glue to keep them in the micarta material very well. It is unfortunate for sure but it looks like the weak spot might be isolated to the micartas. I guess we will find out about the Ironwoods whenever those are released :)
     
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  13. Old Engineer

    Old Engineer Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 30, 2014
    Not being familiar with the physical properties of Micarta , is it possible that the glue is actually sinking down into the Micarta prior to the curing process to take place ????

    Harry
     
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  14. waverave

    waverave Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jun 7, 2018
    It could be that was the case...maybe just not enough glue? It seems to me like micarta would actually be an ideal surface to adhere to because it isn't perfectly smooth.
     
  15. JB in SC

    JB in SC Gold Member Gold Member

    May 19, 2001
    That would be my guess Harry, micarta is more porous than you'd think.
     
  16. DelOro

    DelOro Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 17, 2016
    Simple glue test:

    1) Place the knife in the freezer for 40-45 minutes, then apply hand pressure to the edge of the shield

    or

    2) Use a hair dryer to warm the knife for about 90 seconds, then apply hand pressure to the edge of the shield

    Either method will test the strength of the glue.

    If the shield pops out, clean both surfaces then apply a *small amount* of glue to each surface.

    If not, the shield will stay in place.

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    @JB in SC mentioned this brand of glue earlier.

    It works! :D

    - Del

     
  17. JohnDF

    JohnDF Gold Member Gold Member

    May 14, 2018
    Good tips DO
     
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  18. Camillus

    Camillus Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 3, 2015
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  19. Jolipapa

    Jolipapa Basic Member Basic Member

    Jun 4, 2015
    I don't think there lies the problem. I have a Rough Rider sodbuster in micarta whose shield fell off. I glued it with cyanoacrylate glue. Since no more problem.
     
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  20. waverave

    waverave Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jun 7, 2018
    Edited.
    I spoke with Frank Powers today...and he spoke with Bill Howard this morning. Some updates I thought might interest you:
    * GEC has no intention of only glueing shields in the future and will pin them whenever possible. Bill was shocked to hear that anything else was being insinuated.
    * SMKW requested no pins on the CCs however some of the run was pinned I think he said most of the stags and jigged bones.
    * Some shields cannot be pinned due to the design and if they will get worn down in the finishing process...not just the CCs but for any shield like that. So for smooth bones or micartas with a unique shield that has depth to it and would extend above the material.
    * There was an issue with the etching stamp stencil for the CCs and it caused the delay in the Ironwoods. It is now fixed, They are done and being shipped out to SMKW and the Blue Ridge and Frank this week.
     
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