Two Cheezeburgerz and a large SNARK

Discussion in 'Becker Knife & Tool' started by daizee, Aug 29, 2014.

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  1. worldwood


    Sep 30, 2012
    Very cool Todd!!

    You didnt like the Scout SS???
  2. OutdoorsFamilyMan4


    Jan 20, 2012
    Todd, that slingshot is awesome. I'm sure there will be tons of interest. I've been wanting to give slingshots a try but never found anything I liked too.
  3. Chameleonbear


    Aug 14, 2008
    Living in St. Louis does have one advantage. We have GREAT ribs shacks around that do then just as good as, and cheaper than making them at home. We have this place locally called Bogarts. Each time they go to Memphis in May, they win the whole hog division.

    This is what keeps me from getting a pick up. I don't want everyone to think that since I have a pick up, now they do too.

    Nice nails! What color is that? Red Razzle Dazzle?

    Nice slingshot too.

    and the shenanigans have missed you!

    Story time?
  4. TMHunt

    TMHunt Knifemaker/Moderator Moderator

    Jan 15, 2012
    Ehh, I dont like the band. I've got about 8 or so slingshots now, and the ones I like best are the ones with the tubes. Plus there easier and cheaper to replace.
  5. TMHunt

    TMHunt Knifemaker/Moderator Moderator

    Jan 15, 2012
  6. DJG097


    Apr 19, 2009
    I had the same problem when I drove my dad's pickup. All of a sudden everybody was my friend and wanted to go somewhere.
  7. crimsonfalcon07


    Dec 27, 2010
    I guess my question then would be what counts as "getting blown of the water." For something like a kitchen knife, I require it to cut well, and stay sharp for an extended period of time. I'm not sure what else is really necessary for those purposes, and I can say for a fact that my Cutco knives, despite daily use, stay sharper for longer than my Benchmade Nimravus under the same use, or my Spyderco Manix 2 in S30V. Or any of my Beckers, including the BK5. In my experience, 1095CV dulls fairly quickly on a cutting board, although I'll grant you that all of those blades have different edge geometries.

    That's not to say that chemistry doesn't matter at all, or otherwise has no effect. I think you'll be hard pressed to find someone who knows a bit about blade steels who would disagree, and there's certainly a number of reasons why I prefer to use CPM 3V for my larger blades that have everything to do with chemistry. And one of the big issues with 440 in general is that it's not terrifically strong. My Cutco vegetable knife broke during the move (within the handle, interestingly enough), and I haven't gotten around to using the "Forever Guarantee" to have it replaced. It's not like it's terribly weak either though. I've put the cleaver to a number of rather difficult tasks, such as chopping up frozen chickens, etc. Beating on ice isn't exactly a forgiving task, and the cleaver, which is thicker and heavier, did just fine with that.

    I think chemistry matters more when you're asking more from the knife, and I think it's a fallacy to say that any modern steel, done well, is anything remotely like a "turd." Cutco/Kabar's 440A does an excellent job with sharpness and edge retention. On those fronts, in my experience, it does at least as well as "better" steels such as S30V and 154CM. The only knife I have that clearly exceeds it on those fronts is M390, heat treated by Peters.

    I would never want a 440 sword, of course. There are better steels for that. But there's a tradeoff. There are no steels which give you perfect toughness, sharpness, edge retention, rust prevention, ease of sharpening, etc. Of course there's a reason that Kabar uses 1095CV, which I think have a lot more to do with the affordability and toughness inherent in the steel than in the nebulous "betterness" of the steel over 440A. Better for the intended uses of a field or camp knife? Sure. But by the same token, there's also several reasons why Kabar/Cutco doesn't use 1095CV for its kitchen knives, and I think we can rest assured that if 1095CV were a "better" steel without question, they would.

    I'd be surprised to find out that, given Kabar's heat treat in both cases, that a 1095CV chef knife would "blow out of the water" their 440A for the usual purposes of kitchen knives. That's not to say that there aren't better steels for kitchen knife purposes. But I'd also bet that your average person would be hard pressed to tell the difference, which would make that "betterness" rather subjective. I suppose I shouldn't say that steel chemistry doesn't matter. However, I would definitely say that it's fairly close to negligible when compared to the quality of the heat treat. Fub the heat treat, and it doesn't matter how great your steel chemistry is. Similarly, it's dependent upon your desired tasks. Choose the wrong steel for the task, and it's going to be inferior, no matter how great it might be in another setting. That says to me that chemistry is inherently subjective in context of quality, where heat treat is not. YMMV.
  8. worldwood


    Sep 30, 2012

    A Cutco Rep posted in the thread about the 440A.. But his first posts was deleted.. By a mod no doubt.. I wish i would of saved the info now though... But he did say it (basically) required more sharpening and touching up.

    Im not great at sharpening, and i dont have fancy sharpening stones and gadgets..... So i try and chose steels that will stay sharp for extended periods of time... Hence why i love me some 52100!!

    But Crimson if your saying 440A holds its edge as good as 154cm and S30V it sounds like you have better luck than most people because every one of my searches finds almost the opposite information.

    Even when it comes to 1095 this is basically what im seeing "440 stainless is a softer steel then 1095 carbon, making it easier to sharpen, but dulls quicker too"

    Now i have not worked with 440, so i have no experience, and really i have no dog in this fight at all... I just love learning more about steels so i keep reading every time i find conflicting information.
  9. daizee

    daizee KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 30, 2009
    Carbon steel will dull just sitting around if the edge is not coated with something. Kitchen stainless tends to run very hard and have huge carbides, but microchips like crazy.
  10. worldwood


    Sep 30, 2012
    Oh, ok just curious bud.

    You can replace the band on the scout and use the tubes if you wanted though, They make the scout so it can use almost any type of bands even the tubes... just a thought.
  11. Galeocerdoshark


    May 21, 2011
    Let's just say that you'd google "Jennifer Lawrence" and limit your search to the last 24 hours.
  12. spikebot587


    Feb 8, 2013
    I may have, ahh, noticed that
  13. The Warrior

    The Warrior Insane Viking Moderator

    Mar 11, 2011
    Bladeforums is running in super slow motion for me today. Not sure what the dealio is.
  14. Galeocerdoshark


    May 21, 2011
    Hahaha :)
  15. Chameleonbear


    Aug 14, 2008
    Bless you my child!

    Labor day, server is on holiday.
  16. Galeocerdoshark


    May 21, 2011
    No need to thank me. Thank the internet.
  17. bigghoss


    Jul 27, 2011
    I would say that that is a real SUV, but I'd still prefer a solid front axle and manual hubs. And more ground clearance.

    There's a lot more than just Jennifer Lawrence...
  18. DunkEm


    Dec 9, 2013
    two hour snark stall...Did people suddenly start laboring this day?
  19. dynamicmoves


    Jan 6, 2011
    Took a nap in my hammock.
  20. DunkEm


    Dec 9, 2013
    I was doing the same on the couch.

    I'm ready for cool weather to show up for the option of the outdoor, afternoon nap.
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