OT: Gun guys...can't afford, don't need, won't be able to hunt with..

Discussion in 'Himalayan Imports' started by Kismet, Jan 19, 2005.

  1. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    Chrome Lined! Yes! I always wondered if it was- it looked like it but I never had seen an article saying they were. But the bore looked like my old Japanese Arisaka(sp?) the 7.7 model that is chrome lined.

    Spent case has a mark but faint. I wondered about headspace too. I brushed out the bore and cleaned the breech thinking that might be it too but no luck.
    I'm not sure what the problem is. Thing shot fine for a good while, then I let it set for a year probably and then no luck. I still question grease or something. I guess I am gonna have to dig further in the gun.
     
  2. namaarie

    namaarie

    Aug 23, 2004
    I heard that the attorney-general-to-be Gonzales said he wanted the AWB back. Said he'd help drive it. I saw that on MSNBC or something. Hurry and get 'em while you can!

    Nam
     
  3. namaarie

    namaarie

    Aug 23, 2004
    question answered by reading back.

    :D


    Nam
     
  4. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    That's horrible news, Nam.



    munk
     
  5. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    Hey Munk,

    I got some advice from Ed Know and he told me to clean more on the Russian SKS. broke it further down today and sprayed Rem Oil on it and it's shooting again! Yeaaaa!!!!!!!!! I was at a gun show last night and the Russians were selling for 250. I think I got mine for 165 several years ago!
     
  6. raghorn

    raghorn

    Feb 23, 2002
    That sucks. When I was in high school I had a friend who got his driver's license revoked for too many speeding tickets. His response to the situation at the time was "I can drive just as well without a license as I can with one."

    That pretty much sums up my attitude toward the AWB.
     
  7. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    Hollow, the fact the bolt worked and then did not sort of leaned to the particulate in the body holding up the works theory. Don't let Ed Know convince you he knows too much.


    If GB gets the AWB renewed, I may leave the Republican party.



    munk
     
  8. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    He told me he was Elmer Keith's second cousin ;)

    [QUOTE = munk] If GB gets the AWB renewed, I may leave the Republican party[/QUOTE]

    Don't worry. It would never make it thru Congress :)
     
  9. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    Never say never. I'll always recall it passed by a vote and Kasich was for it.

    Hollow, the bolt should not have stopped working properly- it is made to be more robust than that. I'd still have a gun guy look it over.


    munk
     
  10. Kismet

    Kismet Basic Member Basic Member

    Jan 30, 2002
    Meandering through some sites, I found this post...he must be brilliant, he agrees with most of the Cantina folk. :)

    "The SKS Rifle: Tales from beyond the gun show !!!*
    By JonBot007

    The SKS rifle is a simple gas operated auto loader with some very strong attributes in it’s favor. For all it’s glory and simplicity few rifles have been surrounded by more confusion than the humble SKS. I have fired both Russian and Chinese versions and am very well versed in it’s use and maintenance. Let me say that I am a gun nut, I love guns, shooting, working on them, and anything related to shooting or working with or on guns. Having stated that it should be obvious that I am not a “the sks is the best rifle bar none” kind of guy but I will say that: A) For the money spent and knowledge required to own and become competent with one it is the best overall value. B) It is battle tested (the wise reader will never overlook this quality when choosing any firearm for survival purposes). C) Parts and amo are everywhere and cheap compared to many of it’s competitors. D) It is a tough son of a bitch in field E) you can go buy an SKS, some simple cleaning supplys, a bag of stripper clips, and a thousand rounds of quality FMJ amo for the same amount or less than the cheapest AK/Mack-90 type rifle on the market (that takes hi-cap. Mags). Remember that an SKS in the hand (or trunk or closet for that matter) is better than a Fal/L1A1, G3 or full auto H&K MP5 in fantasy land.(and yes- I have fired all of the above so I CAN say that and mean it)

    That brings us to the most important thing you can learn about the SKS….Leave it alone! There are dozens of accessories available for an SKS but most do nothing to improve the performance of the weapon and some can really screw you up if you are not careful. I have seen so many go out and get a good SKS and then spend money left and right: a scope mount here (now it’s a sniper rifle), a folding stock there (hey what do you mean it’s not legal) and of course the biggest scam the hi-cap. magazines. In a word, save your money-that is the main reason to own a SKS over an AK or FAL ect. ect. None of the Hellfire type gadgets are worth a damn or they would be illegal, some hi capacity mags are better than others but none are as reliable as the stock fixed 10 round magazine. Don’t even think about a full auto conversion (unless you really like concrete walls and steel bars) the SKS is best left in semi auto and you don’t need full auto anyway. If you think you need full auto then you need more time at the range or maybe trade in on a shotgun if your just that bad. The SKS is reasonably accurate but will never be a sniper grade rifle and is not designed for use with a scope. Don’t waste your time and money (by the time you get a scope zeroed in TEOTWAWKI will already have come and gone and then it will just shift anyway). Even if you do get it stable enough you will have traded in quick target acquisition for a crappy scope that will get you killed when you can’t get that stripper clip out of the way fast enough anymore. Yes,the thirty round detachable mags do make it look ten times better and I have several (mostly for fun...there is just no better setup to shoot stacks of #10 cans and keep them rolling down range) The twenty round fixed will be your next stop on the “how much money can I waste” express. With some minor filing mine now works and no you can’t reliably get two stripper clips loaded in a timely manner (one stripper clip will load fine). On the up side it is made out of crappy pot metal! (it now resides in the bottom of my closet-somewhere!!) The 75 round drum (I don’t even want to talk about it), DO NOT even think about wasting that much money. Do we see a trend developing yet???

    Repeat this ten times out loud before you go to the next gun show and buy some stuff you really need instead (ammo anyone?):My SKS is a solid semi-auto battle rifle with a ten round fixed magazine, it uses stripper clips, when I pull the trigger it goes “BANG”- that is the purpose for which it was designed. It is NOT a poor man’s AK-47 anymore than it is a sniper rifle. I will not waste my next two paychecks making it look like either. I will leave it the way it was designed to function and move on with my life. Now that we have settled that issue, let me close with the following argument. You may own several firearms, many of which will seem better than the SKS in various aspects of their performance BUT everyone can afford a decent SKS and learn how to shoot it. The ammo is as cheap as it gets and when the sh*t hits the fan- it is comforting to know that everyone on your team has parts and amo that will work in your gun. Personally, I REALLY like the FN/FAL. I’m a big guy and the larger powerful rifle is just tailor made to my hands. I love the Fal so much that the odds I’m going to abuse the hell out of one training and screwing around in the field are not very big. The SKS is a junk yard dog. Drop it, scratch it, see how much crud it can digest and still fire, it likes it (well…sort of) the expirience you can get because you are not afraid to hurt it are worth far more than the rifle it self. Smaller framed team mates usually find it comfortable and with the addition of the $5-$10 rubber but pad/spacer so do I (at 6’4” and over 250lbs. with a large frame I’d say that’s versatile). Go get one, buy a thousand rounds for it, shoot the hell out of it, clean it up really good and stick it in the closet you may be very glad you did one day -even if you can afford something better (hey, there is nothing wrong with the AK/Mack90). You can never have too many good cheap rifles that eat up good cheap amo. Hey one day you may want to cache something somewhere for undisclosed reasons (vague enough??). So just keep this in mind “friends don’t let friends waste money” leave the plastic crap at the table and and move down to the next table and buy some more amo, the life you save may be your own !! P.S. I still take my SKS hunting with me once in a while if it's one of those cold rainy "I'm nuts for going out in this" kind of weekends...it serves as a fine little brush carbine in the deer woods and is one of the few semi-auto rifles that doesn't fear Alabama mud!!!-(if you've ever delt with that un-godly muck you know how impressive a feat that is!!!)"


    JonBot007


    Be well and safe.

    (Edit:? munk? THAT's what he said. He agrees with you.)

    AND: If I had money, I'd spend a lot of it on this linked site. Neat toys, decent prices. http://www.classicarms.us/htm/firearms.htm )
     
  11. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    I'd think smaller teamates would like the rifle as issued; larger men may want a longer length of pull and the addition of the rubber recoil pad. I don't know why he states the reverse.



    munk
     
  12. That "Tales from beyond the Gun Show" was freakin' beautiful! I agree with it 100%!

    I've gone the route of the mods, and had the same crappy experience. (although when I was younger and dumber the auto sear I'd made was alot of fun..can't do that kinda thing now that I'm (supposedly) a grown up.

    a neat trick I learned with 'em- use the circle around your front sight for rapid target aquisition. I got to where I could take clay pigeons from a hand thrower fairly regularly by doing that.

    Got me all fired up an' wanting another one!

    oh well....too many toys...too many bills...not enough fundage...story of my life. :D
     
  13. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    Yeah, good article. When I got my SKS I looked at all those things and kinda thought: " Well the stripper clips load it pretty fast. The ammo's cheap. The sights are decent. I don't need that stuff" The one thing I invested in though was a sight adjustment tool and if they made anything to lighten the trigger up I'd go for it too, since mines kinda stiff.
     
  14. Last one I had was a Russian SKS I'd picked up for $110, brand new. That rifle was something else! the stock was gorgeous, and it had better bluing than most modern American made guns.

    I was able to tinker with it until I got 90% of the creep out, and brought the pull down to a safe four pounds. But...it did take a bit of tinkering, and those things can go run away pretty quickly if you err too much on the side of light trigger instead of caution.

    Of course then my fathers words of wisdom come back to me at these moments.."Dammit boy! just treat it like a sore **** and don't **** with it!"
     
  15. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    I think mine was 160. I saw them going for 250 at a gun show a few weekends ago.

    What did you do polish out the trigger assembly or something? Inquiring minds want to know ;)
     
  16. munk

    munk

    Mar 22, 2002
    If you touch the bearing surfaces- the Sear- you may end up with a peice of junk.

    If he eliminated creep then he knew a thing or two.

    Naturally, the world's gun shops are full of weapons waiting to be fixed by a Smith because of people who 'knew a thing or two."

    munk
     
  17. Hey HD- I'm not really very comfortable posting in a public forum about these kinda things, but if you wanna gimme yer email, or drop me one at [email protected] I'd be glad to give you a run down of my own experience.

    I'm sorry for the inconvenience, and hope ya' understand.
     
  18. Ad Astra

    Ad Astra

    Jul 30, 2004
    Great article, Kis, really sums it up. Mine went from a carbine to a rifle when a put the new synthetic stock (non-folding, sheesh) and I did put a good dual purpose muzzle brake on it to even out the length overall.

    Notice I spelled "muzzle brake" correctly- I'm not a proofreader but I frequently see it spelled "muzzle break" and get annoyed that the English language is being lost. Can't be dumb around guns, hope it's the ad people.

    We had a Nicaraguan proofreader once (nice girl) put a "Main Lobster" in our book... as opposed to a Secondary or Tertiary Lobster, I guess.

    That's not an anti-latin comment- I'm (still) married to a latin girl with a master's degree who can probably spell better than me.


    Ad Astra
     
  19. Kismet

    Kismet Basic Member Basic Member

    Jan 30, 2002
    AdAstra...

    Mis-spellings know no cultural confinements.

    Long ago and far away, at Loyola University in Chicago, the Annual Staff Dinner was being held, and for the first time, the spouses (mostly wives) of the non-clerical faculty were invited. This was a big deal for the school was cheap as hell for their staff. The Loyola News, the student paper, featured this as the lead story.

    Articles written, ads checked, spelling proofed over and over and over, the galleys were being compiled to be sent back to the printers for the 25,000 copy run, when...out of the corner of an eye...one of the folks read the banner headline on the front page with a different interpretation than the one we all took as obvious.

    The banner headline on the lead story read:

    LAY FACULTY WIVES AT DINNER TONIGHT

    GASP!!!!!

    We were literally scared to death by what the reaction would have been! No one would have believed that we just didn't see it. We would all have been on disciplinary probation, and the paper killed.


    It, honesttogawd, was in complete innocence. :eek:
     
  20. Ad Astra

    Ad Astra

    Jul 30, 2004
    <Mis-spellings know no cultural confinements.>

    Don't I know. I'm just glad I can spell "muzzle brake"

    As a typesetter I was once responsible for...

    CHOCK FULL-O NITS COFFEE

    Imagine coffee packed full of hair lice...

    Others' typos are funny. Your own are horrible, in printing.

    Another one- caught- was "Ballpark Perros Clientes" in Spanish

    shoulda been "Ballpark Perros Calientes"

    because Perros Clientes means "dog customers"...


    Ad Astra (in disgrace, and way OT)
     

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