ZT 0223

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by evltcat, Jun 6, 2019.

  1. bflying

    bflying Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 4, 2014
    The Instagram posts are hilarious. Going out on a limb and guess that ZT didn't expect this harsh of a reaction. Ah well.....ya win some, ya lose some.....HARD.
     
  2. 115Italian

    115Italian

    Nov 13, 2015
    For me the head scratcher is the five little holes. The confusion as to why and why in that location. Zt and the designer aren’t giving any reason. Even if the reason is that they just thought it looked cool.
     
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  3. Rival1314

    Rival1314 KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 17, 2012
    I get that some people dont like it...but calling whats going down on IG criticism is laughable. There are 3 main points being offered...it looks like an Mtech, hate the holes, looks like a gas station knife.....repeated hundreds of times. Whats the point of that? And the few people blocked, from what i can tell, posted multiple times on multiple pages. Again, whats the point in that.

    I like the designer, they took a swing....im interested to see how non knife people respond, afterall gas stations sell alot of knives;-)
     
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  4. eon blue apocalypse

    eon blue apocalypse

    499
    Apr 11, 2015
    They did give a reason, this is from their website:

    "A series of decorative holes drilled in the ricasso of the blade echo the jimping along the spine and add to the subtle details of this remarkably handsome knife."

    Decorative = they thought it looked cool.

    In my opinion it looks like it was designed by some 13 year old kids.
     
  5. marrenmiller

    marrenmiller Basic Member Basic Member

    Apr 6, 2017
    How did someone manage that? Haha
     
  6. KVT

    KVT

    652
    Feb 17, 2019
    There’s a lot more wrong with this than the 5 little holes in the blade.

    The blade shape and the handle shape, each on their own are hideous.

    Together, they are just horrid. Just a major fail that really surprises me ZT let go all the way into production.
     
  7. evilgreg

    evilgreg Why so serious? Gold Member

    Dec 25, 2012
    Dear lord, how did I neglect to consider that unholy alliance, ZT bringing in the combined design talents of M-Tech and RMK all at once.
     
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  8. brancron

    brancron Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 14, 2011
    First the 0022, and now this lead me to the conclusion that Tim Galyean has been blackmailed by a secret consortium of high-end Chinese knife companies into becoming a knife-design saboteur, with the goal of financially crippling their Oregonian rival.
     
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  9. Rykjeklut

    Rykjeklut Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    May 23, 2018
    Maybe he should have designed a better looking knife then. :rolleyes:

    Only partially kidding, as the blade(not counting the holes) is awesome. Folding Kabar USMC.
     
  10. gazz98

    gazz98

    Sep 3, 2008
    My first thought too. I'm guessing the blade can double as an awl so you can sew things. I can't believe they don't mention that in the description.
     
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  11. Insipid Moniker

    Insipid Moniker

    Feb 28, 2011
    And each person saying it is a separate data point. There's always someone that's gonna dislike a knife and there are always gonna be a few trolls, but when you get overwhelming negative feedback the right move is to look for a fix, not to get butthurt on the internet.
     
  12. Lapedog

    Lapedog

    Dec 7, 2016
    This hard use knife can’t even stand up to hard criticism?

    Honestly though Gaylean it was abit rude to try and pass the speed hole model off on us.
     
  13. Dfunk1210

    Dfunk1210

    594
    Apr 7, 2015
    Yea, they should have just let the criticism run its course. Right now its a hot issue on the internet. People will be loudest right now. Adding to the fire wont help them. Let it die down. Then a few people will handle the knife and actually like it. Those that don’t just wont buy it. No hard feelings.

    I think they are partly at fault for not pushing the D-Day reference. Not everyone knows that the day they announced the knife was the D-Day 75th anniversary. All they saw was an Amazon Tacticool design.
     
  14. Knicked Digits

    Knicked Digits

    256
    Dec 24, 2016
    perhaps this is the year of bad designs. ZT isnt the only one putting out these tactilol or badly designed knives.
     
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  15. Lapedog

    Lapedog

    Dec 7, 2016
    There are bad designs every year. It’s normal for any company to put out some questionable designs.

    I just think people are abit hurt that ZT has such great capacity to make USA made knives for a competitive price and this is how they’re using it.
     
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  16. Gideons

    Gideons Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 9, 2015
    I think it is also the accumulation of disappointment that has been building up for awhile. When ZT first came out, the 030X series was so far a head of its time; with the 3D-machined G10 scales, 3D-machined titanium framelock, DLC coated blade and not to mention the most durable and well made hardware on any ZT knives from the pivot to the handle screws etc. Now, they're using inferior pivots, inferior handle screws (hardware in general) and designs like these are worse than they use to produce. The company has regressed, instead of improved.
     
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  17. dkb45

    dkb45 Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 16, 2012
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  18. Dfunk1210

    Dfunk1210

    594
    Apr 7, 2015
    This is also the result of spreading out knife announcements through the year. Had this been announced at SHOT with everything else, less focus would have been put on it. It would have been talked about but it wouldn’t have been the focus of the entire internet as it is now. But being the *only* new knife to talk about, either it was going to be liked, or it was going to go down in spectacular flames.
     
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  19. soc_monki

    soc_monki Basic Member Basic Member

    Apr 5, 2019
    One thing zt needs to do is take the criticism to heart and cqi their knives as quick as possible. Spyderco does it, and they are a much smaller company. Not to mention I only have one spyderco knife (persistence) that I really need to reprofile new, where pretty much every zt I own needs a reprofiling right off the bat. And my only usa Kershaw (bareknuckle) needed one as well. Just get a robot to do it KAI because your people suck at sharpening!

    But I do love my ZTs and Kershaws. So I just fix the edges and keep on keeping on.
     
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  20. Icky Thump

    Icky Thump Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 8, 2011
    I like and would buy the prototype. Not %100 down w/ every design choice but like it enough to make the purchase.

    All/most of the design choices made after the prototype is what I don't like.

    Criticism/opinion is fair, take it as feedback..it shouldn't discourage new designs/ideas/collaborations.
     
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2019
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